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[kurupetos]

I wouldn't take the Greek press too seriously.

Of course not, because they are controlled by the Zionists.

[Demonax]

Could this be a step closer to Piratis's dream of "Change in the Balance of Power" so often quoted by him on this forum.

In fact, if such an event of Historical proportions beyond imagination should take place the number of nations will be 4 and not 3, the USA would be very much a part of this " Federation".

No doubt closer co-operation is inevitable and a good thing for our security and economy. But I get the feeling that Cyprus and Greece are more into the idea of pushing a strategic partnership with Israel than the Israelis are. Problem is the Israelis don’t have much choice who they're friends with these days – so luckily it's us!

[kimon07]

Sorry, Google translation touched, a bit, by me.

Israel: The gas pipeline will pass through Greece
10/10/2013 12:24

The almost definite political choice of Israel to abandon any idea of exporting natural gas through Turkey sets new standards in the Eastern Mediterranean and maintains on the table the perspective construction of an underwater pipeline leading to Greece, from where gas will be channeled to the European market.
This framework was confirmed during the visit of A. Samaras in Israel not only with the public statements of Energy Minister of Israel Silvan Shalom, but as the “Nation " informs, by M. Netanyahu during his private talks with PM Samaras.
The rift in the relations between Israel and Turkey has now gained depth and as it was communicated to the Greek government, Israel does not intend to trust the exports of strategic natural gas through a country with the features which the Erdogan governance has given to Turkey.

http://www.defence-point.gr/news/?p=86393

[Demonax]

^^^

Tel Aviv says it prefers its natural gas to reach the continent through Greek soil and not via Turkey

Energy transit role gets Israeli boost

Israel has voiced its preference for a pipeline that would carry the country’s natural gas reserves to Europe via Greece instead of a network that would run through Turkey, thereby increasing the chances of Greece playing an active role in getting of the rich reserves of the southeastern Mediterranean to the continent’s biggest consumers.

This role depends on the strengthening of the Greece-Cyprus-Israel triangle, which is rapidly developing into a new energy source that could soon be able to cover half of Europe’s energy needs for about 30 years, according to estimates.

During a visit by Prime Minister Antonis Samaras and a number of his cabinet members to Israel this week, Environment and Energy Minister Yiannis Maniatis discussed the issue of the underwater pipeline interconnecting the three countries. The response from his counterpart, Silvan Shalom, saying that he would rather see a pipeline pass through Greece rather than via Turkish soil is seen as very promising.

Tel Aviv has long considered how it can transmit its natural gas to Europe. Its final choice will also be determined by the geopolitical balance in the region. Transferring the commodity via Turkey is the most cost-effective solution, but it is not seen as politically “safe” as it would further boost Turkey’s role as an energy raw material transit center.

Greece, via its contacts with Cyprus and Israel, is promoting the plan for an underwater pipeline linking the three countries. This may be a more costly route, but it would guarantee the safe supply of the continental market. This plan is also based on indications of major hydrocarbon reserves south of Crete.

The underwater pipeline project has gained ground also thanks to a recent rift between Tel Aviv and Ankara. There are there alternative routes: The first is for a pipeline starting from Cyprus, reaching Crete and then on to the Peloponnese to end in Komotini and join the Gas Interconnector Greece-Bulgaria and feed the southeastern European market. The second is for a pipeline from Israel to Crete, to the Peloponnese and then to northern Greece to join the Trans Adriatic Pipeline (TAP) for the Western European market. The third is similar to the second, but starting from a gas compressor station off the Cypriot coast instead of Israel.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_ar ... 013_522723?

[Paphitis]

I wouldn't take the Greek press too seriously.

Of course not, because they are controlled by the Zionists.

Now do you see how our Zionist friends support Greece and Cyprus!

Please report to Kimon and Demonax for your well deserved spanking!

[GreekIslandGirl]

Just like Greece helped Cyprus into the EU, so too now, it is helping Israel connect with the EU. Israel is the only true next contending member who could join the EU (and wave goodbye forever to the fraud that was enacted for Turkey ever joining).

With the USA shutdown, Israel's move away from USA-funds is inevitable.

Only the EU could now compete in the Global markets against China and Russia and it already has a much better relationship with both these organisations than the USA ever did.

[miltiades]

Having Israel as OUR friend its like ...manna from heaven.

All those stupid plonkers who posted so much anti Israel crap eat your stupid arses!!

For 7 years now Miltiades was a lone voice on this forum , he has been exonerated by the recent events.

The balance of power is shifting in our favour day by day.

[Paphitis]

Just like Greece helped Cyprus into the EU, so too now, it is helping Israel connect with the EU. Israel is the only true next contending member who could join the EU (and wave goodbye forever to the fraud that was enacted for Turkey ever joining).

With the USA shutdown, Israel's move away from USA-funds is inevitable.

Only the EU could now compete in the Global markets against China and Russia and it already has a much better relationship with both these organisations than the USA ever did.

With all due respect, Israel will never want to join the EU. There is nothing to gain and they probably will never be allowed to join because there are some quite extreme political issues it would need to resolve concerning the West Bank and Gaza. On paper, it is harder to get Israel into the EU than Turkey. Not sure, but both would be pushing you know what up the hill to get into the EU. Israel already has extensive bilateral relations with most EU members and has the US. They see the US as key.

The US shutdown is only temporary as the Republicans refuse to pass several treasury bills and there are several disagreements over the affordable Health Care bills also known as 'Obamacare'. Personally, I don't see the sense in it because Obama is correct in trying to address these issues. The Republicans are just blocking everything to score some cheap political points but if it continues it could backfire on them.

To be frank, the US is extremely important for trade and the major markets have shifted to the Asia Pacific region. It is up to the EU to get aboard this train if they can. Well I should say it is up to EU countries to begin investing in the Asia Pacific. The US, Australia and Canada have been doing this for decades. They got in on the ground floor.

I say the above with all due respect and please don't take this post as anti Greek or trollish because it is not.

The EU has a long way to go in order to keep up with the Asia Pacific and it is not in any position to compete directly with either the US and Australia who have been preparing for decades and positioning their markets to trade directly with the Asian mega economies.

The EU does not even trade with the Asia Pacific. The EU is mere a trade block but none of the Asia Pacific fall within this block. Israel has all of that and thus are part of the biggest trade block the world will ever see for at least the next century.

Also, the Israelis do rely heavily on American might and influence. This won't change unless there is somekind of Middle East peace deal and relations with its neighbours improve. We will not see this any time soon I can assure you.

[kimon07]

Having Israel as OUR friend its like ...manna from heaven.

All those stupid plonkers who posted so much anti Israel crap eat your stupid arses!!

For 7 years now Miltiades was a lone voice on this forum , he has been exonerated by the recent events.

The balance of power is shifting in our favour day by day.

I had enough of this.

Before you post any more fanatic stupidities like the above, I suggest you go find out how Israel was regarding Cyprus since 1945 (if not further back) and what it was planning about it and for it. Even Wiki will help you. And Google too. Try: Israel-Cyprus relations since 1945.

And finally! There is nothing definite or permanent in international relations and bilateral relations between countries and nations. Everything is shifting and changing pursuant to the regional and/or international developments. There are ONLY NATIONAL INTERESTS.

WAKE UP and stop being delirious. We all like what is going on now, and we all support it. And we all hope it will improve and expand further. Me first. But we must all REMEMBER and KNOW how things used to be too and why. Just to make sure of how we manage, interpret and plan things. I mean, plan ahead.

Oh and yes, lest I don’t forget. Try researching a bit the role of Israel in relation to and DURING the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974. Start form WHO rescued the Turkish sailors who survived the sinking of the Turkish Destroyer by the Turkish air force during the Turkish invasion. And how come they were there. And then come back and talk to me. NOT BEFORE. You hear?

[Paphitis]

Israel did not even exist in 1945.

But nevertheless Kimon, we put ourselves on a collision course with the powers that be and we came out second best. It was bever planned that way and those powers did not do what they did just for the hell of it.

What I am trying to say is that there are very valuable lessons to be had, and sometimes I fear we are oblivious to these lessons as if in denial. We are far too small to be using the political rhetoric we use. We would have been far better off ditching the Non Allignment policies.

Unfortunately we did not do that, but it does not mean we can't take a more pro-active role today in order to serve our interests. We can gain a lot of political mileage as well as influence change to the Balance of Power. For this reason I am glad Anastasiades is in power because he strikes me as a realist and I expext Cyprus to enter the world stage with his Presidency, beginning with the PfP.

Israel is probably the RoC's most natural ally due to the proximity. Israel has always recognised this but in the past they were always cautious with Cyprus and Greece because we were quite openly vocal against them. So they preferred Turkey within the region. But as I said, the RoC and Israel have far more in common than Israel and Turkey ever did.