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[Lordo]

I think many Greek Cypriots would welcome permanent derogations if and when Turkey joins the EU. As mentioned they have been granted in a few exceptional cases, I'm sure the EU would oblige if it helped solve the Cyprus Problem.

In the event of a settlement would we welcome a large influx of TCs to the Greek Cypriot southern component State leaving an overwhelming majority of mainlanders in the north. In such an event who would want to go back north anyway? Permanent derogations may have to be an essential feature of a solution.

you are the first charlui to make sense.
and any gc who wishes to move north will be received with open arms by the settlers.

[Demonax]

I think many Greek Cypriots would welcome permanent derogations if and when Turkey joins the EU. As mentioned they have been granted in a few exceptional cases, I'm sure the EU would oblige if it helped solve the Cyprus Problem.

In the event of a settlement would we welcome a large influx of TCs to the Greek Cypriot southern component State leaving an overwhelming majority of mainlanders in the north. In such an event who would want to go back north anyway? Permanent derogations may have to be an essential feature of a solution.

Really, Jerry? Permanent derogations applying to the internal citizens of an EU member state have never been introduced before. They have only ever been allowed in one or two exceptional cases in relation to citizens from abroad purchasing second homes. This simply doesn’t apply to Cyprus.

There is no chance the Cyprus government would accede to permanent derogations as advocated by the Annan Plan. Even under the unlikely scenario you paint. Indeed the current GC leadership have made it clear they want a solution in conformity with the EU acquis. While the EU Commission see themselves as the guardians of the acquis and have made clear they would contemplate only very limited and temporary derogations but are firmly opposed to any permanent derogations.

[Viewpoint]

If you think the EU will stand in the way of a solution you are very mistaken they will accept derogation's in this because they want to put an end to the thorn you stuck in their side upon joining the EU as a divided island. What derogation are you especially afraid of? the one that will stop you from solely having control over the whole island or the one that will provide security?

[Jerry]

I think many Greek Cypriots would welcome permanent derogations if and when Turkey joins the EU. As mentioned they have been granted in a few exceptional cases, I'm sure the EU would oblige if it helped solve the Cyprus Problem.

In the event of a settlement would we welcome a large influx of TCs to the Greek Cypriot southern component State leaving an overwhelming majority of mainlanders in the north. In such an event who would want to go back north anyway? Permanent derogations may have to be an essential feature of a solution.

Really, Jerry? Permanent derogations applying to the internal citizens of an EU member state have never been introduced before. They have only ever been allowed in one or two exceptional cases in relation to citizens from abroad purchasing second homes. This simply doesn’t apply to Cyprus.

There is no chance the Cyprus government would accede to permanent derogations as advocated by the Annan Plan. Even under the unlikely scenario you paint. Indeed the current GC leadership have made it clear they want a solution in conformity with the EU acquis. While the EU Commission see themselves as the guardians of the acquis and have made clear they would contemplate only very limited and temporary derogations but are firmly opposed to any permanent derogations.

Really, really, I imagine you never believed the Berlin Wall would come down. Permanent derogations are a two-way street, would you be happy for Cyprus have an open door for mainland Turks to migrate to Cyprus?

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=R1QE ... ns&f=false

[Demonax]

Really, really, I imagine you never believed the Berlin Wall would come down. Permanent derogations are a two-way street, would you be happy for Cyprus have an open door for mainland Turks to migrate to Cyprus?

Turkey isn't going to join the EU, Jerry. Not anytime soon. If ever. So why should Cyprus impose permanent derogations now on its citizens? This is really not on the agenda despite what the Turkey wonks at the ICG would have you think.

Limited temporary derogations most people would accept but we could deal with the issue of Turkish enlargement, like the rest of the EU, if and when it occurs.

For a Cypriot perspective...

http://www.cceia.unic.ac.cy/index.php?o ... Itemid=156

[Viewpoint]

demon which derogation are you afraid of?

[Demonax]

demon which derogation are you afraid of?

Permanent derogations on free movement under the EU acquis: the right for all Cypriot citizens to live, work and purchase property anywhere on the island.

[B25]

demon which derogation are you afraid of?

Permanent derogations on free movement under the EU acquis: the right for Cypriot citizens to live, work and purchase property anywhere on the island.

In addition, the right to vote, freedom of speech and free from Turkish military troops, illegal settlers and any Turkish guarantor rights. For starters.

[boulio]

if there is a solution there will probably be temporary derogations for most cypriots for i would say a five year period.There will also be a cap of probably 5% of turks and greeks(in each region) allowed to settle on the island after a solution.i THINK were the gc will have to make a consesion is if the move lets say 30,000 to the north which is a large voting block they may not have the right to vote for the northern regions upper house senators so as to keep the bicommunal nature of the agreement.However i think if you add in the concept of cross weighted voting then this problem is not that bad.When it comes to local and representitve elections if greek cypriots live in the north or tc in the south they should be allowed to vote.

[kimon07]

A different strategy for Cyprus
October 6, 2013 English Section, TOP5, Washington, Κύπρος
By Mihalis Ignatiou
http://mignatiou.com/?p=13748#ixzz2huHoobND

......Speaking to a close circle of friends, a U.S. senator and great friend of Cyprus explained the case of the “dialogue” of President Obama with Iran and ended up talking about Cyprus. The senator stated that Teheran declared to the Americans that she aims to terminate her nuclear program, provided that sanctions against Iran are lifted before negotiations start. In the meantime, Iran does not accept any inspections and will continue her nuclear program as before.
Turkey, the senator explained, does exactly the same thing. She requires concrete actions on our part and she gives assurances (anemic, I say) that if and when the negotiations are successfully concluded, then she will fulfill her promises. In the meantime she has gains at the expense of Cyprus, without budging an inch from her extreme positions. Turkey has never toned down her demands in the slightest when it comes to the problem of Cyprus. She has occupied 40 % of Cyprus, and for 39 years she has held a UN and EU member-country hostage; by contrast, due to the weaknesses of our own politicians, we have to apologize for the “martyrdom” of the Turkish-Cypriots, who are otherwise a part of the occupying power while at the same time enjoying all the benefits of the citizens of the Republic of Cyprus.
Cyprus requires a different strategy, in the face of shifting strategies and alliances in the Mediterranean. Mr. Anastasiadis told us in Washington that he does not believe in negotiations for negotiations sake, and I applaud him if he means what I understand he is saying. Cyprus has nothing to gain from a dialogue, because Turkey is not interested in negotiations that would lead to a just solution of the Cyprus problem.
Let the president of Cyprus rethink the matter of negotiations and he will not lose. The fact that the Americans, who for years were persistently pressing our side to pull back from our positions, now “said different things to him,” should be a matter of concern to him…And whoever says that President Anastasiadis was pressured by U.S. Vice-President Biden, is simply lying.

Read more: http://mignatiou.com/?p=13748#ixzz2huHVdFnz