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A really serious issue

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:35 am

I had an uncle that I admired so much. He had been through a lot in his life. A graduate in Physics in Greece and UK, and a very high profile teacher, then headmaster in Cyprus. Politically active in 1974 against the Coup at Radio Paphos from Coral Bay. In his younger years, he was a highly respected man, but later in life he was somewhat too eccentric. I was very close to him and have some great memories of this man.

In his twilight years, he had married a Foreign 'lady' who was in her late 20s early 30s. It was his third marriage. His first marriage ended in divorce, his second marriage to Ioanna whom I was very fond of died from cancer, and then the Foreign lady. I never trusted her. There was no love, and firmly believed that she had her motives. My uncle was a well off or well to do person. I could never imagine her actually enjoying life with my eccentric uncle. My uncle was as you would say in Cyprus, extremely idiorythmos!

Of course there was an incident that had confirmed my suspicions but I won't get into that here.

Then the Foreign wife reveals her son from her native country. Later on, my uncle adopts him knowing he could never have children of his own. He descends or begins to succumb to a horrible disease; dementia. Every time I would visit, I could see some big changes in my uncle and it was not easy because I could remember a man that was larger than life and very adventurous and extremely intelligent.

To cut to the chase, my uncle died 2 years ago. I was in Cyprus. My children (twins) were barely 1 year olds back home. It was a horrible time. Relatives were telling me about all the going ons and how my uncle was manipulated and that foreigners will end up with my families very valuable (sentimentally speaking) estate. Our family did in fact lose everything. Property from my Uncles village belonging to the family for many generations. All that history just wiped out! Family roots and attachment destroyed, So many places which I have many fond memories of, yet my children will never see them and will never grow to appreciate this side of the family or their roots. A book that has seen its very final CHAPTER - THE END.

Most property has now been sold, and the inheritors of my families roots have left Cyprus for their native land. They are enjoying life as very wealthy individuals, and have now opened a hotel.

Of course this has left a very bitter taste in my mouth. What do I tell my kids? Should I tell them about their great uncle? I am not sure, because sometimes I have intense feelings of betrayal. In fact, I feel they have been betrayed. Their inheritance going back some many generations was taken from them and the rest of our family.

I was in Greece recently. I met my family there. We were in a spot I have fallen very much in love with. But when I was in Athens, we visited my wife's Godmother (she is Cypriot from Kyrenia). Her children live in New York and LA which we are also close to now (nice people). In 1974 after the invasion, my wife was born in an Athens Hospital prematurely. The Doctor had written her off. Priests came to read the last rights. My mother in Law insisted to have her baptized. My father in law was in prison in Adana, Turkey and presumed dead! But who was going to be Nono or Nona? The Doctor volunteered so he became Nono and baptized my wife. He even went out and bought her an expensive Gold Cross and Chain which my wife still has, whilst thinking the baby won't survive.

This Doctor passed some years ago. The good thing is, his assessment about my wife's survival was wrong.

Whilst visiting my wife's Godmother, whom we visit regularly and is a real nice lady, she told me something very interesting. She said that she hasn't been to Cyprus in 30+ years and has no interest in setting foot on Cyprus ever again. I asked why, and she said she felt that she had too many bad memories and felt betrayed. She does have a story to tell, similar to my experiences but not completely the same. I thought to myself, wow this is how I feel sometimes. actually dread visiting Cyprus now, because every time I hear the negativity and pass by some historically significant areas for my family, I feel down, very depressed, and get overcome by a lot of emotion and a strong sense of betrayal. I told this to my wife.

In contrast, in Greece I feel completely the opposite. I feel rejuvenated, like I have been reborn, and very happy. I enjoy the company of people I have met there. I enjoy the company of my wife's Godmother's husband, Leonidas (A former ND MP under Karamanlis believe it or not - and a great guy)! I enjoy the company of Georgios down by the fishing harbour near our little familie's hideaway. And I catch up with others I know when in Athens, people I am also fond of.

Then it was time to go to Cyprus. I told my wife, that I preferred to stay in Greece and told her I had plenty of DIY work to do here. So she left me behind. Problem is, my Son can never leave my side. But the relatives wanted to meet the children badly, so he had to be prized of me. Spending as much time as I do away from them is very painful.

I don't thing I will be staying away from Cyprus for 30 odd years. But I do avoid the place now. When I go, I need to avoid some family. Tsada is great still. I love by Dad's side.

But Cyprus is NOT the place that it use to be for me. I do not feel very good when I am there sometimes. It's kind of like, there is not as much there for me or my kids like I once use to think! :(

Anyway, just had to get all this of my chest. Even talking about it makes me feel slightly better. I guess I hope that someone can provide a good philosophical way of dealing with such things. I guess there are up to 200,000 Cypriots that can identify with this story too!

But in any case, Cyprus needs to look at these kinds of situations because there are many foreigners from poorer countries that target the elderly males, and sometimes, these things do effect the lives of their families in a very bad way.

But I love you all! That has not changed! :)
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Re: A really serious issue

Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:16 am

Let me know when you write the really serious part.

And btw, is your aunt’s name Svetlana? :?

If not then is your uncle's name Miltiades? :?
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Re: A really serious issue

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:20 am

Get Real! wrote:Let me know when you write the really serious part.


It sounds a bit like a soap opera but what can I do? :?

It's pretty damn accurate unfortunately! But so many positives at the same time. :)

You're issue is that Greece was posted about in a positive way or just mentioned. Pathetic! :roll:
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Re: A really serious issue

Postby miltiades » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:08 am

Your uncle presumably was considerably older that his young foreign wife. He obviously had a need for a new woman in his life, no doubt he enjoyed himself and did what he felt he wanted to do. RIP.

As far as Cyprus not being the same as it once was, well, take a look at the UK. A complete contrast to the England I came to 52 years ago.

As you probaly know I visit Cyprus regularly, I adore the island and I accept that things are not what they once were.
I accept this and I consider Cyprus one of the worlds nicest places to be in.

People have change, well I too have changed and no doubt you too.

When in Rome.,..., precisely what I do when I visit Cyprus. Tsada has changed a great deal and so has Stroumbi the Great but I still adore these villages where I have so many memories, not all pleasant but a part of my life.

Back to the foreign ladies... Im catching a flight to Belarus this afternnon to visit my " foreign lady", I shall have a great relaxing time away from Bangladesh, Pakistan and the "turd" world of London.

Your uncle must have been some guy, dimentia is a horrid condition, you say he died a happy man.

Let your views on Cyprus take into account that there is much of the island that has remained the same through out ages. The weather, the sea and the scenery, sheftalies and souvla, not to mention karaolous and ameletita.

Cyprus, the greatest nation on earth, I love it with all my heart, my Motherland, my Sweet Sunny Cyprus.
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Re: A really serious issue

Postby miltiades » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:19 am

A relate story to the one Paphitis posted.

I have a 70 year old brother in law , was married to my late sister who passed away following a short battle with cancer.

He has one daughter only who gave him 4 adorable grandchildren, now all in their twenties.

He adored the grandchildren and did everything for them, I always told him that chiildren grow up and Pappou must accept this and move on. When they are kids up to the age of 7 or 8 they cant get enough of grandpa, but as they begin to form their own lives grandpa is just there, but not in the same way when as little children they would listen to grandpas stories, jokes, in my case ...singing. Yiasou pappou, they would say and move on, no cuddles and kisses He somehow expected them to be the same as when they were little children.

After my siter passed away, he was devastated, together they were for more than 40 years, he turned to his grandchildren for comfort and company. Not an easy task when you are in your late 60s and they are teenagers.

He married a "foreign woman " 30 years younger than him, been together now for 4 years. He has at last found the company and love he was so eager for. Alas, he is now, just like Paphitis's uncle, suffering from early to middle stages of dimentia.

Im now really concerned about myself, a much younger woman, whose name I ....forget :lol: Early signs of dimentia ??
I wonder.

I ring my grandchildren 3 -4 times a week, the youngest 4 years old who insists on singing nursery rhymes one after the other, she is a cutie, the boy, 5 years old boisterous and lively as boys are. He tells me about his daily exploits!!!
The oldest, almost 10 now, who always speaks to me in English, restricts her conversation to a few words. This is life, enjoy them while they are young, stand by them as they get older, love them and care for them, but dont expect them to be the same as when toddlers.
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Re: A really serious issue

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:44 am

That's an interesting story about your family Paphitis, a snapshot of certain situations in Cyprus nowadays..My father at 70 remarried an eastern European lady(early 40's) in Cyprus.
I was proud of the old man, but then my two Cypriot sisters got in the way..the details, after that, dont need to be mentioned on a pristine forum like CF but needless to say I havent seen the lady or heard from her in 3-4 years.. :cry:
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Re: A really serious issue

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:40 am

miltiades wrote:A relate story to the one Paphitis posted.

I have a 70 year old brother in law , was married to my late sister who passed away following a short battle with cancer.

He has one daughter only who gave him 4 adorable grandchildren, now all in their twenties.

He adored the grandchildren and did everything for them, I always told him that chiildren grow up and Pappou must accept this and move on. When they are kids up to the age of 7 or 8 they cant get enough of grandpa, but as they begin to form their own lives grandpa is just there, but not in the same way when as little children they would listen to grandpas stories, jokes, in my case ...singing. Yiasou pappou, they would say and move on, no cuddles and kisses He somehow expected them to be the same as when they were little children.

After my siter passed away, he was devastated, together they were for more than 40 years, he turned to his grandchildren for comfort and company. Not an easy task when you are in your late 60s and they are teenagers.

He married a "foreign woman " 30 years younger than him, been together now for 4 years. He has at last found the company and love he was so eager for. Alas, he is now, just like Paphitis's uncle, suffering from early to middle stages of dimentia.

Im now really concerned about myself, a much younger woman, whose name I ....forget :lol: Early signs of dimentia ??
I wonder.

I ring my grandchildren 3 -4 times a week, the youngest 4 years old who insists on singing nursery rhymes one after the other, she is a cutie, the boy, 5 years old boisterous and lively as boys are. He tells me about his daily exploits!!!
The oldest, almost 10 now, who always speaks to me in English, restricts her conversation to a few words. This is life, enjoy them while they are young, stand by them as they get older, love them and care for them, but dont expect them to be the same as when toddlers.


My uncle passed just over 2 years ago. He had a stroke, could not walk, eat or even function as a human. Food was delivered by a Syringe and he was being changed like a baby. It was the most awful experience. I was there thinking I will be able to say Goodbye, but he was a vegetable and most of the time didn't know I was there, however there was one occasion that got me thinking but I can't be sure.

The experience had a terrible effect on me, and his "wife" was shedding what I believed to be "crocodile tears" trying to prove to me that she loved him and will care for him however long he lasts. After about 10 days, I had to get away. I went to meet up some of my wife's family in Xylofagou. Barely 2 days, I get a phone call that he passed. I drove back to Paphos and funeral arrangements were underway. I thought that this was the best thing for my uncle. There was no quality of life at all.

Then the funeral. His "wifes" bought her friends and family. There was so much fakery, and I was not handling things too well. I was not in control. She could sense the tension building up and try as she might to be very friendly towards me I just couldn't handle her or wanted anything to do with her. But I pulled through with a very brave front, but that is all it was.

During the few years they were together, there was a lot of yelling. I got the impression that he regretted marrying her and she did have affairs on the side. But I think he continued being quite miserable because he had adopted a teenage son and didn't want to sacrifice that. There was even domestic violence, and I had seen sides to my uncle I had never seen before. I always wondered, how someone can change so much. I never knew him to be like that. But they 'wife' did have to tolerate a lot. But why I wonder (I believe I have the answer to this but there is no need to get into that).

I hope he was happy, and sure there must have been some happy times, but I don't think he was happy. :?

Tsada was always the bedrock during this dark period. Always felt rejuvenated and reborn driving up that hill.
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Re: A really serious issue

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:52 am

The serious issue is why so many ageing men revert to so much stupidity that ruins family life. It is becoming so common that we must legislate to protect families from the madness of ageing men!

If the (real) mother dies, the father should be disinherited and the territorial/property rights given to the children. Then, let's see how many opportunistic foreign women decide to marry them! :D
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Re: A really serious issue

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:57 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:The serious issue is why so many ageing men revert to so much stupidity that ruins family life. It is becoming so common that we must legislate to protect families from the madness of ageing men!

If the (real) mother dies, the father should be disinherited and the territorial/property rights given to the children. Then, let's see how many opportunistic foreign women decide to marry them! :D


I agree that something must be done to protect families because it is very heart breaking for any family to go through this, and there are many innocent victims left behind such as the newly born for instance.

I don't agree with you're idea but agree that something must be done, like the Authorities looking deeper into each case's circumstances. Don't know what the solution is really.

I have heard that this is becoming a very familiar story in Cyprus. It is very sad and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone.

BLOODY AWFUL!!!
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Re: A really serious issue

Postby Flying Horse » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:58 am

It's a bit of an old chestnut wherever you are from. It's the same in the UK.

A sad tale when its personal to you and your family. :(

Mum never did get over her father remarrying. First at the tender age of 18, she lost her own mother to cancer. There was this lady 'always in the wings waiting', her father and 'that woman' married and moved from whst was the family home. Her father died, suddenly and unusually. 'That woman' sold the house as soon as she was able and wiped everything out of my mother's life that was her fathers. History kind of repeated with her only aunt, she got dimensia and 'friends' my mum never knew called her to tell her as she knew her aunt she was invited to her funeral!!!!! Those people worked their way in and eventually everything of my mother's life got put in a skip!

The story of my other half is quite sad and tragic. A most magnificent soap opera.

Both my mother, and my other half have a bitter taste, siblings who do not speak, great big holes left by other people. I was young when my mother lost her father, old enough to remember.


One thing it has taught me, you cannot undo what has been done. What is lost is lost. Tell the happier tales to the young, and keep the bitter stories for when the kids are adult enough to understand the 'family myths'. When questions are asked by the children when they are older, firstly happier times are recollected, and you find the bitter memories have been given time to heal, and passing them on isn't quite so difficult to explain anymore.
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