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[Flying Horse]

The world is a different place to what it is now. Neither side needs to cling to Greece, nor Turkey. At the moment, the north side is scared of cutting mummies apron strings. There is no need to be scared.

One cannot simply have two states, both sides are skint, but one side has a lot of benefits within the EU. You cannot simply keep going on as two states because its causing far too many complications. Take the currency for example, its pathetically ridiculous that there is two currencies on one island. The Euro is a little more strong than the TL. If there is to be one this one that, but two this two that it won't be long before something collapsed.

The age old arguements of the Greeks wish to dominate just doesnt wash anymore. So put a little trust in what somebody sees from the outside, because from where I'm standing I see what needs to be done. Those so stuck in the middle with their blinkered eyes, need to open them. Look at the bigger picture and move on. Stop clinging to past mistakes and take some time to see what I see. It might help you visualise the future.

If the north keeps hanging onto the past, their claptrap minority sob story, they will most certainly be stuck in the past and wont be anything but a backward backwater.....whilst the rest of the world progress.

[Viewpoint]

The world is a different place to what it is now. Neither side needs to cling to Greece, nor Turkey. At the moment, the north side is scared of cutting mummies apron strings. There is no need to be scared.

One cannot simply have two states, both sides are skint, but one side has a lot of benefits within the EU. You cannot simply keep going on as two states because its causing far too many complications. Take the currency for example, its pathetically ridiculous that there is two currencies on one island. The Euro is a little more strong than the TL. If there is to be one this one that, but two this two that it won't be long before something collapsed.

The age old arguements of the Greeks wish to dominate just doesnt wash anymore. So put a little trust in what somebody sees from the outside, because from where I'm standing I see what needs to be done. Those so stuck in the middle with their blinkered eyes, need to open them. Look at the bigger picture and move on. Stop clinging to past mistakes and take some time to see what I see. It might help you visualise the future.

If the north keeps hanging onto the past, their claptrap minority sob story, they will most certainly be stuck in the past and wont be anything but a backward backwater.....whilst the rest of the world progress.

The south is hardly a success story, so time to come down off that high horse and you need to wise up to the fact that 2 states does not mean 2 separate countries, its 2 states under a federal country, you apear more hung up in the past still emersed in the notion that if we commit to BBF we will still want a separate country. Why dont you take the time to try and tell us what you see rather than asking us to take a leap of faith right into the arms of the GCs?

[Demonax]

The south is hardly a success story, so time to come down off that high horse and you need to wise up to the fact that 2 states does not mean 2 separate countries, its 2 states under a federal country, you apear more hung up in the past still emersed in the notion that if we commit to BBF we will still want a separate country. Why dont you take the time to try and tell us what you see rather than asking us to take a leap of faith right into the arms of the GCs?

It's over, VP. No more ambiguity about what ‘bizonal’ means. A clear commitment to a single state, a single sovereignty with sole international recognition. A clear commitment to the UN resolutions and EU principles. No more nonsense. No more fruitless debate. Time to accept the reality.

[Flying Horse]

Would it be wrong to say.....

.....If Germany could do it?

[Lordo]

its all bull and you know it. if you are after unitary state at this point, byeeeeee
if it is bbf - we shall have eu principle. of course one of the principles is equal length of presidential term. how about that this eu lark aint bad is it

[Demonax]

its all bull and you know it. if you are after unitary state at this point, byeeeeee
if it is bbf - we shall have eu principle. of course one of the principles is equal length of presidential term. how about that this eu lark aint bad is it

It's over, Lordo. Only a clear commitment to a unified bizonal state with a single sovereignty under EU law will do from now on. You cannot have divided states based on apartheid in the modern world. Cyprus is a member of the EU now and there is no bartering over sovereign and human rights. This is fundamental.

The Annan Plan is dead and buried. Even the Americans have told you so. That ship passed you by.

Wave goodbye to it. It's not turning back...

[repulsewarrior]

The south is hardly a success story, so time to come down off that high horse and you need to wise up to the fact that 2 states does not mean 2 separate countries, its 2 states under a federal country, you apear more hung up in the past still emersed in the notion that if we commit to BBF we will still want a separate country. Why dont you take the time to try and tell us what you see rather than asking us to take a leap of faith right into the arms of the GCs?

It's over, VP. No more ambiguity about what ‘bizonal’ means. A clear commitment to a single state, a single sovereignty with sole international recognition. A clear commitment to the UN resolutions and EU principles. No more nonsense. No more fruitless debate. Time to accept the reality.

...and i ask, and am ignored: where is the Greek Constituency? you, vp more than anyone else should be asking, this question.

[Viewpoint]

The south is hardly a success story, so time to come down off that high horse and you need to wise up to the fact that 2 states does not mean 2 separate countries, its 2 states under a federal country, you apear more hung up in the past still emersed in the notion that if we commit to BBF we will still want a separate country. Why dont you take the time to try and tell us what you see rather than asking us to take a leap of faith right into the arms of the GCs?

It's over, VP. No more ambiguity about what ‘bizonal’ means. A clear commitment to a single state, a single sovereignty with sole international recognition. A clear commitment to the UN resolutions and EU principles. No more nonsense. No more fruitless debate. Time to accept the reality.

Is this your version of committing to a BBF with political equality of the two states sides areas call it what you wish but there will be two administrations one for the south and one for the north in which citizens have the freedom to settle and buy.

I get the feeling that all you are offering in reality are minority rights in a Gc state, am I right?

[Viewpoint]

The south is hardly a success story, so time to come down off that high horse and you need to wise up to the fact that 2 states does not mean 2 separate countries, its 2 states under a federal country, you apear more hung up in the past still emersed in the notion that if we commit to BBF we will still want a separate country. Why dont you take the time to try and tell us what you see rather than asking us to take a leap of faith right into the arms of the GCs?

It's over, VP. No more ambiguity about what ‘bizonal’ means. A clear commitment to a single state, a single sovereignty with sole international recognition. A clear commitment to the UN resolutions and EU principles. No more nonsense. No more fruitless debate. Time to accept the reality.

...and i ask, and am ignored: where is the Greek Constituency? you, vp more than anyone else should be asking, this question.

The GC constituency will be 73% of the island didnt you know?

[Demonax]

Is this your version of committing to a BBF with political equality of the two states sides areas call it what you wish but there will be two administrations one for the south and one for the north in which citizens have the freedom to settle and buy.

I get the feeling that all you are offering in reality are minority rights in a Gc state, am I right?

I am not offering anything. I am not on the negotiating team. Where has Anastasiades said anything about minority rights? All he has said is that there will be no negotiations unless all sides are committed to a European federal solution with the goal being a ‘single sovereignty, single citizenship and single international personality’. Without this as the basis for talks then negotiations will be fruitless. In my opinion, this is a fair and reasonable stance to take.