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[Viewpoint]

What he's saying Lordo is, is that he wants one island, one people and one nation. All under the EU. You can't reverse what the RoC within the EU is, and the best way is just to make the whole island the same.

If you lot up there don't like it, well


You know where the exit door is!

To me, its very simple and clear. I hope this ideology works with an end to this nonsense. If you can't understand that clear message, well, you are pretending you can't.

It's out of your hands anyway, the rest of the world leaders wish it this way, and they will get it. Plans are already laid out. The players just allow the crumbs of the table to be leaked to the media, to keep the little people in suspense!

We exited that door a long time ago horse 40 years to be precise.

How can you place preconditions to a meeting when you full well know its another way of saying we wont negotiate you have to accept our conditions without taking into account what you want.

The world has placed a BBF with political equality of the 2 states with single sovereignty, single international personality and single citizenship in front of you, you cannot force Turkey to recognize you in your current shape as we cannot force you to recognize us.....this sort of precondition is counter productive and only gives out the message to the world that you have no intention to share but only dominate.

[Demonax]

What he's saying Lordo is, is that he wants one island, one people and one nation. All under the EU. You can't reverse what the RoC within the EU is, and the best way is just to make the whole island the same.

If you lot up there don't like it, well


You know where the exit door is!

To me, its very simple and clear. I hope this ideology works with an end to this nonsense. If you can't understand that clear message, well, you are pretending you can't.

It's out of your hands anyway, the rest of the world leaders wish it this way, and they will get it. Plans are already laid out. The players just allow the crumbs of the table to be leaked to the media, to keep the little people in suspense!

We exited that door a long time ago horse 40 years to be precise.

How can you place preconditions to a meeting when you full well know its another way of saying we wont negotiate you have to accept our conditions without taking into account what you want.

The world has placed a BBF with political equality of the 2 states with single sovereignty, single international personality and single citizenship in front of you, you cannot force Turkey to recognize you in your current shape as we cannot force you to recognize us.....this sort of precondition is counter productive and only gives out the message to the world that you have no intention to share but only dominate.

Flying Horse is right. Why can't Turkey sign up to a statement that says the goal of talks is to re-unify the island under a single sovereignty, single international personality and single citizenship? If Turkey can't accept this as the basis for talks then there is no point in entering negotiations because they will go nowhere.

[bill cobbett]

What he's saying Lordo is, is that he wants one island, one people and one nation. All under the EU. You can't reverse what the RoC within the EU is, and the best way is just to make the whole island the same.

If you lot up there don't like it, well


You know where the exit door is!

To me, its very simple and clear. I hope this ideology works with an end to this nonsense. If you can't understand that clear message, well, you are pretending you can't.

It's out of your hands anyway, the rest of the world leaders wish it this way, and they will get it. Plans are already laid out. The players just allow the crumbs of the table to be leaked to the media, to keep the little people in suspense!

We exited that door a long time ago horse 40 years to be precise.

How can you place preconditions to a meeting when you full well know its another way of saying we wont negotiate you have to accept our conditions without taking into account what you want.

The world has placed a BBF with political equality of the 2 states with single sovereignty, single international personality and single citizenship in front of you, you cannot force Turkey to recognize you in your current shape as we cannot force you to recognize us.....this sort of precondition is counter productive and only gives out the message to the world that you have no intention to share but only dominate.

Flying Horse is right. Why can't Turkey sign up to a statement that says the goal of talks is to re-unify the island under a single sovereignty, single international personality and single citizenship? If Turkey can't accept this as the basis for talks then there is no point in entering negotiations because they will go nowhere.

Yes and of course such a statement is an imperative cos for years Eroglu has been wasting everyone's time by going on about ...

Two Peoples Two Countries ...!!!

[Flying Horse]

Turkey used to be fashionable and favoured, which is why they've been allowed to just muck everyone around.
They will be removed, as they cause an embarrassment to politics.

My thoughts is, that in these peaceful times where people in general are more considerate(in Europe), the TCs will benefit from a single entity under the EU. Turkey has just stripped them bare of anything that once stood before, she has replaced them with immigrants and gone against everything that her 'intervention' claimed to be for.

It's time to forget (politics) about the past and look to the future and rebuild Cyprus and her people.

[Viewpoint]

Turkey used to be fashionable and favoured, which is why they've been allowed to just muck everyone around.
They will be removed, as they cause an embarrassment to politics.

My thoughts is, that in these peaceful times where people in general are more considerate(in Europe), the TCs will benefit from a single entity under the EU. Turkey has just stripped them bare of anything that once stood before, she has replaced them with immigrants and gone against everything that her 'intervention' claimed to be for.

It's time to forget (politics) about the past and look to the future and rebuild Cyprus and her people.

Turkey has brought a peaceful existence which you GCs never achieved due to your own dreams and aims, Turkey has made us more Turkish than Cypriot thats true but think of it this way if you have of gotten your wish and merged with Greece wouldn't the same of happened to you, you are hypocrites of the highest order and should really take a minute to reflect on the irony that you wanted to gift the whole island with or without its TC inhabitants whereas we only wanted a part of the island where we could live in peace and not be exposed to your domination manipulation and persecution.

Its true we should look forward to the future but shouldnt we learn form the past mistakes to build a united island that will never allow the past to be repeated? as we openly accept single sovereignty, single international personality and single citizenship (agreed and signed by Cleridies and Talat) do you accept BBF with political equality of the 2 states?

[Demonax]

we openly accept single sovereignty, single international personality and single citizenship (agreed and signed by Cleridies and Talat) do you accept BBF with political equality of the 2 states?

Firstly, your current 'leadership' has refused to sign up to a 'single sovereignty, single citizenship' agreement prior to talks starting. This reveals their true intentions which is not a unified state but partition.

Secondly, only if the two zones (states) belong to all Cypriots and not one ethnic community. In the United States there is nothing to prevent a resident of California becoming a resident of Florida or Texas. Further, there is no US state that has a limit on residents belonging to a specific community or race.

Also they are equal only in the Senate not in the House of Representatives or when it comes to electing the President. And no single state has the power to block a decision even in the Senate.

[Viewpoint]

we openly accept single sovereignty, single international personality and single citizenship (agreed and signed by Cleridies and Talat) do you accept BBF with political equality of the 2 states?

Firstly, your current 'leadership' has refused to sign up to a 'single sovereignty, single citizenship' agreement prior to talks starting. This reveals their true intentions which is not a unified state but partition.

Secondly, only if the two zones (states) belong to all Cypriots and not one ethnic community. In the United States there is nothing to prevent a resident of California becoming a resident of Florida or Texas. Further, there is no US state that has a limit on residents belonging to a specific community or race.

Also they are equal only in the Senate not in the House of Representatives or when it comes to electing the President. And no single state has the power to block a decision even in the Senate.

Thats the USA which has evolved over many years, we havent taken the first step yet, ,in time with understanding and positive results we to can get to that level. You have to understand that we start from zero trust and plenty of barriers and question marks, you cannot demand we all just take a leap of faith to satisfy your demands....it has to be a process a transition period to build confidence understanding and hopefully prosperity for all.

Talat and Cleridies signed up via the UN for BBF with political equality single sovereignty, single international personality and single citizenship, kindly do some research and you will see that clearly....setting such rigid precondition is only an invitation to failure and gives off the clear signals of which side does not want to compromise, the refusal to stick to any time table is also another sign of badwill and shows which sides wants the talks to go on and on forever without any results, for gods sake discussions have been going on for over 50 years.

[Demonax]

Thats the USA which has evolved over many years, we havent taken the first step yet, ,in time with understanding and positive results we to can get to that level. You have to understand that we start from zero trust and plenty of barriers and question marks, you cannot demand we all just take a leap of faith to satisfy your demands....it has to be a process a transition period to build confidence understanding and hopefully prosperity for all.

Talat and Cleridies signed up via the UN for BBF with political equality single sovereignty, single international personality and single citizenship, kindly do some research and you will see that clearly....setting such rigid precondition is only an invitation to failure and gives off the clear signals of which side does not want to compromise, the refusal to stick to any time table is also another sign of badwill and shows which sides wants the talks to go on and on forever without any results, for gods sake discussions have been going on for over 50 years.

Nonsense.

Firstly. You cannot have a federation based on ethnic apartheid in the modern world. Cyprus is part of the EU and you cannot legally prevent any citizen from living, buying property and working where they please. The 'states' in a federal Cyprus would belong to all its citizens not to any ethnic group. Your argument is just beyond reason and unacceptable.

Secondly. If the current TC leadership and Turkey are committed to a solution based on a single Cypriot citizenship and a single Cypriot sovereignty then why can't they sign up to it? Without such a commitment there is no point in having talks.

Your mealy-mouthed excuses are exactly why Anastasiades is right to insist on this commitment before talks start.

[Viewpoint]

You have killed the chicken before its even had time to hatch, your narrow vision and leaders barriers and constraints will ensure failure once again. We to support freedom of movement and purchase of all citizens, are you willing to commit to BBF with political equality of the two states? why cant you sign up to it? you demand but do not accept any compromise, we will and have signed up to single Cypriot citizenship and a single Cypriot sovereignty but I have not heard you say you will sign up to BBF with political equality of the 2 new states to be formed under a federal umbrella. You need to stick yourself with that needle first before you try sticking it into others.

[Demonax]

You have killed the chicken before its even had time to hatch, your narrow vision and leaders barriers and constraints will ensure failure once again. We to support freedom of movement and purchase of all citizens, are you willing to commit to BBF with political equality of the two states? why cant you sign up to it? you demand but do not accept any compromise, we will and have signed up to single Cypriot citizenship and a single Cypriot sovereignty but I have not heard you say you will sign up to BBF with political equality of the 2 new states to be formed under a federal umbrella. You need to stick yourself with that needle first before you try sticking it into others.

It's over, Viewpoint. We are just not interested in talking for the sake of it. Not interested in talks that lead to a dead end. Time you accepted that.
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