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[kimon07]

Why do you use another country's anthem????? Answer this

Because it is an anthem that praises Freedom without turning against any one else and without praising any other country or God or King or whatever else. Just Freedom.

And because it was the anthem the Cypriots where chanting while fighting for the FREEDOM of Cyprus in 1955-1959.

[Lordo]

The Greek National Anthem is an Ode to Liberty and Freedom.

Only in stpier's Lying Turkish Imagination is it an Oath.

The Andimiz is an Oath, a throwback of an oath, pledging allegiance, in the simplest of language, to the foreign power that is Turkey, to Ataturk and to the out-dated nationalist state socialism of Kemalism... none of which have any place on CY.

then how come greece has had so litlle democracy then.

[bill cobbett]

Well if Stupider and Bordo bothered to do a little research, they would find out the the Andimiz is on the way out.

That news has been around since Erdie announced a range of "democracy reforms" a few days ago.

But no, Stupider and Bordo would rather defend anything that is Turkish in "trnc" , even the compulsion on school-children to take this most obnoxious of oaths.

Just about sums up their approach to Turkishness and another example of just how "trnc" is a fascist and outdated kemalist regime with no interest in a settlement that doesn't set up a separate Turkish State.

On Edrogan's instructions the oath is to end.

From the Guardian this week...

"... That oath is no more. It is gone, just like that, with a decision made by the prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his advisers. When the announcement was made on Monday, I breathed a sigh of relief but that short passage had already made its indelible mark on my consciousness. How can one forget those lucidly formulated principles of a country's founding ideology when forced to shout it twice a week for almost a decade?

The student oath was composed by Reşit Galip, who served as minister of education in 1933, the year the oath was introduced. Galip reportedly visited a school and asked the pupils to repeat his phrases. He then wrote them on a piece of paper, sent it to authorities in Ankara and in a matter of weeks the oath was being repeated in every school in Turkey.

At school the rebellious among us would avoid taking the oath: some would move their lips in sync, while others came to school late to avoid it. But the school administrations took the oath very seriously. The headmaster and his group of dedicated teachers would walk among rows of students to inspect whether it was being recited properly and with the desired level of fervour. On Fridays, when pupils would be impatient to leave for the weekend, the oath would turn into a last barrier between the boring world of education and the freedom that awaited us outside the school gates. "This is not a proper oath, children!", the headmaster would suddenly decide. "You shouted the words too quickly. I want you to shout them slower and louder and with genuine passion or I will make you take the oath as many times as I desire!"

As tedious as I found it, the oath must have irritated pupils of Kurdish and Greek origin most. A friend of a friend would repeat a slightly altered version. "I am a Kurd", he would say: "I have been forced to be dishonest. So I am hard at work on lying..."

[Viewpoint]

Why do you use another country's anthem????? Answer this

Because it is an anthem that praises Freedom without turning against any one else and without praising any other country or God or King or whatever else. Just Freedom.

And because it was the anthem the Cypriots where chanting while fighting for the FREEDOM of Cyprus in 1955-1959.

So you claim to be an independent country with no original national anthem of your own? This is like the UK adopting the French national anthem, crazy is a GC.

[kimon07]

Why do you use another country's anthem????? Answer this

Because it is an anthem that praises Freedom without turning against any one else and without praising any other country or God or King or whatever else. Just Freedom.

And because it was the anthem the Cypriots where chanting while fighting for the FREEDOM of Cyprus in 1955-1959.

So you claim to be an independent country with no original national anthem of your own? This is like the UK adopting the French national anthem, crazy is a GC.

Aactually it was the French whose national anthem was inspired by the anthem which the Greeks chanted during the battle of Salamis (Allons enfants de la Patrie….)
= Ὦ παῖδες Ἑλλήνων ἴτε,
ἐλευθεροῦτε πατρίδ', ἐλευθεροῦτε δὲ
παῖδας, γυναῖκας, θεῶν τέ πατρῴων ἕδη,
θήκας τε προγόνων:
νῦν ὑπὲρ πάντων ἁγών.

O sons of the Hellens advance,
Liberate the fatherland,
Liberate your children, your women,
The altars of the gods of your fathers,
And the graves of your ancestors:
Now is the fight for all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ ... ning_phase

P.S. I warmly applaud Turkey for the nationalistic spirit which it gives to the young Turks. I wish Greece and Cyprus would be doing the same.

[stpier]

Well if Stupider and Bordo bothered to do a little research, they would find out the the Andimiz is on the way out.

That news has been around since Erdie announced a range of "democracy reforms" a few days ago.

But no, Stupider and Bordo would rather defend anything that is Turkish in "trnc" , even the compulsion on school-children to take this most obnoxious of oaths.

Just about sums up their approach to Turkishness and another example of just how "trnc" is a fascist and outdated kemalist regime with no interest in a settlement that doesn't set up a separate Turkish State.

On Edrogan's instructions the oath is to end.

From the Guardian this week...

"... That oath is no more. It is gone, just like that, with a decision made by the prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his advisers. When the announcement was made on Monday, I breathed a sigh of relief but that short passage had already made its indelible mark on my consciousness. How can one forget those lucidly formulated principles of a country's founding ideology when forced to shout it twice a week for almost a decade?

The student oath was composed by Reşit Galip, who served as minister of education in 1933, the year the oath was introduced. Galip reportedly visited a school and asked the pupils to repeat his phrases. He then wrote them on a piece of paper, sent it to authorities in Ankara and in a matter of weeks the oath was being repeated in every school in Turkey.

At school the rebellious among us would avoid taking the oath: some would move their lips in sync, while others came to school late to avoid it. But the school administrations took the oath very seriously. The headmaster and his group of dedicated teachers would walk among rows of students to inspect whether it was being recited properly and with the desired level of fervour. On Fridays, when pupils would be impatient to leave for the weekend, the oath would turn into a last barrier between the boring world of education and the freedom that awaited us outside the school gates. "This is not a proper oath, children!", the headmaster would suddenly decide. "You shouted the words too quickly. I want you to shout them slower and louder and with genuine passion or I will make you take the oath as many times as I desire!"

As tedious as I found it, the oath must have irritated pupils of Kurdish and Greek origin most. A friend of a friend would repeat a slightly altered version. "I am a Kurd", he would say: "I have been forced to be dishonest. So I am hard at work on lying..."

Still no reply: Why do you use a foreign country's national anthem?

[kimon07]

Still no reply: Why do you use a foreign country's national anthem?

You had your reply from me. Turk.

[kimon07]

The Greek National Anthem is an Ode to Liberty and Freedom.

Only in stpier's Lying Turkish Imagination is it an Oath.

The Andimiz is an Oath, a throwback of an oath, pledging allegiance, in the simplest of language, to the foreign power that is Turkey, to Ataturk and to the out-dated nationalist state socialism of Kemalism... none of which have any place on CY.

then how come greece has had so litlle democracy then.

Go to bed Lordo. You are tired, I can tell.

[stpier]

Why do you use another country's anthem????? Answer this

Because it is an anthem that praises Freedom without turning against any one else and without praising any other country or God or King or whatever else. Just Freedom.

And because it was the anthem the Cypriots where chanting while fighting for the FREEDOM of Cyprus in 1955-1959.

This reply is not satisfactory. Why are you the only country using it besides Greece if it only praises freedom and no Greekness? Besides I am waiting a reply from the other guy. I guess he is ashamed of using a foreign country's anthem that s why he remains silent on the issue.

[bill cobbett]

Erdogan's "democratisation programme", announced this week, hasn't gone down too well in Kurdish circles.

This is from Firat...

BDP co-chair Gulten Kışanak made the first comments on this morning "democratisation package" presented by the Prime Minister. "This package - she said - didn't satisfy any of the Kurdish people expectations. This is not a package responding to the needs of the people - she said - this is a package responding to the need of the AK party. It is not a democratisation package. It is an election package".

There was also criticism of the package...

" for not answering the expectations for the ending of the denial and assimilation policy against Kurds...."

So there we have it, whereas the Kurdish leaders in Turkey are quite happy to voice their condemnation of Turkey's Assimilation Programme, the Mushrooms in "trnc", especially people like Stupider and Bordo of course, are telling us that they... " can't bite the hand that feeds them ".