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Hope for Greek Cypriot refugees from the north

Postby Sotos » Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:51 pm

THE TURKISH Cypriot administration is planning changes that could make it possible for Greek Cypriot refugees from the north to regain possession of their properties.

The first hint that such a move might occur came from Turkish Cypriot ‘prime minister’ Ferdi Sabit Soyer who, speaking in London earlier this week, said the highly controversial clause 159 of the north’s ‘constitution’, which allowed the breakaway state to take possession of all Greek Cypriot properties in the north, could be amended to allow Greek Cypriots regain possession of properties they lost in the 1974 Turkish invasion.

It emerged yesterday however that changes in the ‘constitution’ were unlikely and that a relatively easier change in the law would be used to the same effect.

The idea of allowing Greek Cypriots restitution to their properties in the north stems from an April ruling on the ‘Achilleas Demetriades v. Turkey’ case by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) that deemed property courts in the north invalid because they offered only financial compensation for lost properties, and not restitution.

The north now plans to rectify this shortcoming by introducing a law that makes restitution possible.

At the time of the Arestis ruling the Turkish Cypriot leadership claimed a minor victory, believing that if the possibility of restitution was added to existing property law in the north, their courts would then become a valid means of finding “local remedies” to property disputes.

The ‘government’s’ confidence is boosted by the fact that the ECHR made no objections on the grounds of the breakaway state’s overall illegality.

Because of this, introduction of the new law may not come as music to the ears of the Cypriot government, as it could potentially force Greek Cypriots to apply to Turkish Cypriot courts as a first step to regaining their properties.

Only if they are then dissatisfied with the ruling of the Turkish Cypriot court will they be justified in taking their cases to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR). It is rumoured that Turkey is very keen to see Greek Cypriots allowed to return to their properties.

A source close to the ‘constitutional courts’ in the north told the Cyprus Mail yesterday that the existing clause 159, introduced in 1985, made it possible for the breakaway state to confiscate all Greek Cypriot properties in the north and distribute them as it saw fit.

“Soyer’s idea is to change the constitution so that lands taken over by the state can under certain circumstances be handed back to their legal owners. With such an interpretation there is nothing to say the lands cannot be given to Greek Cypriots,” the source told the Mail.

But the source said he believed the idea of changing the ‘constitution’ would be dropped in favour of introducing a new law that effectively scraps the existing property court, established by ex-leader Rauf Denktash, in favour of a completely new structure.

“Changing the constitution would be difficult, as it requires the full cooperation of the main opposition National Unity Party (UBP), and even if Turkey wants this to happen, I’m not sure they [the UBP] would support it,” he said.

“Alternatively the government can propose a change in the law that would establish a new property court from scratch which would have restitution as part of its makeup,” he added.

Another ‘government’ source yesterday confirmed that that a draft law was in existence and expressed confidence it would become law.


What do you think? I think it is just tricks. Maybe they will let 100-200 people to return. They will never allow all refugees.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:00 pm

The idea of allowing Greek Cypriots restitution to their properties in the north stems from an April ruling on the ‘Achilleas Demetriades v. Turkey’ case by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) that deemed property courts in the north invalid because they offered only financial compensation for lost properties, and not restitution.

The title of the thread is wrong. Actually the Turks are looking for ways to avoid the ECHR so they will not have to give back anything from what they stole.

However they will not succeed in this. ALL refugees have the right to return to their homes.

Soyer’s idea is to change the constitution so that lands taken over by the state can under certain circumstances be handed back to their legal owners. With such an interpretation there is nothing to say the lands cannot be given to Greek Cypriots

What Soyer forgot is that that he doesn't have a state, but a pseudo state, and the pseudo state has no right to take any land.
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Postby bg_turk » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:24 pm

Piratis wrote:The title of the thread is wrong. Actually the Turks are looking for ways to avoid the ECHR so they will not have to give back anything from what they stole.


Nothing of the sort at all.

If the local court is deemed unfair then the claims can alway be forwarded to the ECHR as all internal means of remedy will have been exhausted.

Besides TRNC courts, unlike the ECHR, will be able enforce their own decisions and to provide effective remedy by returning the properties of those who apply. I welcome this development, and I believe it will be a good step towards providing justice to those GCs who have been unfairly displaced.

Of course it remains to be seen how the RoC government will react to such a development. Will it allow GCs to apply to TRNC courts? Ow will it block the democratic right of its own citizens to seek justice, under the pretext that a "pseudo" state cannot dispense justice?
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Postby Piratis » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:32 pm

a "pseudo" state cannot dispense justice?

Of course it can not. How can something that iteslf is illegal serve justice? Maybe Al Capone should have been made a judge also?
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Postby bg_turk » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:35 pm

When justice is outlawed, only outlaws will be able to serve it.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:45 pm

When justice is outlawed, only outlaws will be able to serve it.

Justice is not outlawed. Justice is suspended in occupied Cyprus because the Turkish troops do not allow legality to be applied there.
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Postby bg_turk » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:48 pm

Piratis wrote:
When justice is outlawed, only outlaws will be able to serve it.

Justice is not outlawed. Justice is suspended in occupied Cyprus because the Turkish troops do not allow legality to be applied there.

But justice will be restored in the TRNC. Are you trying to outlaw it because it will be TCs who will be serving it?
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Postby Piratis » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:54 pm

But justice will be restored in the TRNC.

This is a self-contradicting statement. The existence of the pseudo "TRNC" along with the Turkish troops is what stops justice from that part of Cyprus.

Are you trying to outlaw it because it will be TCs who will be serving it?

I am not trying to do anything. It has always been illegal.
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Postby bg_turk » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:58 pm

The ‘government’s’ confidence is boosted by the fact that the ECHR made no objections on the grounds of the breakaway state’s overall illegality.

The ECHR does not seem to think like you.
Your monopoly on justice will soon be broken, and your legality rhetoric will be meaningless.
How will you be able to argue legality, when TRNC courts will be restoring GC properties to return, while RoC will be refusing the same rights to TCs as they do now?
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Postby Piratis » Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:05 pm

The ECHR does not seem to think like you.

The ECHR thinks exactly like me. I guess you missed the decisions proved once again the illegality of the turkish occupation and the right of GCs to return to their homes (+ compensation for the last 30 years)

Your monopoly on justice will soon be broken.

There is just one kind of justice in this case: All refugees have the right to return.
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