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by **DT.** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:03 am

Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:Here's the shopping list that i believe is being worked on right now.

1- Silikiotis aka the alithoros korazinos. Former uber minister of christofias for receiveing 7 figures in the Cyta case
2- Stavrakis aka o strouthos. Former finance minister known for his peek-a-boo plays with S&P downgrades.
3- Christodoulou aka to chekoui. Former governor of central bank. 7 figures received in exchange for approval of marfin-laiki acquisition
4- Katsourides aka Mr 10%. Known for his long hours at the Hilton granting licenses and permits for 10%.

The problem is, that if any of the above corruption is true, those responsible seem to always get away with blue murder with complete immunity and protection.

We need a Government that will send the Police over to the residents of all the above-mentioned, knock on their door with arrest warrants in hand, read them their rights and place handcuffs on their wrists and take them to the Attorney General's Office.

Even Government Appointed scrutineers should oversee the judicial process and monitor the proceedings.

Once 1 or 2 of these arseholes go to jail, then that alone will send a clear message to high office holders.

For so long, Cypriot Governments have been like Italian Mobsters/fraudsters and I really don't understand how people can tolerate this.

If DISY make positive changes, then they will be in power for the next 20 years + ....

DISY have managed to change the constitution overnight and extradite former DHKO strongman and former interior minister Michaelides and his son to Greece for the commissions received on weapon systems with Tzohatzopoulos. DISY have also managed to place behind bars while the investigation is going on of all round strongman Kitis Chairman of CYTA. I believe the bubble has burst for these former untouchables. Christodoulides is already under investigation as is Katsourides.

The Tsohatsopoulos affair was the accepting of multi million dollar bribes so that Greece could award a multi Billion contract to German submarine manufacturer Siemens!

He is already in jail as far as I know, but what do the Cypriots have to do with it?

Tzohatzopoulos along with Ziyad and Michaelides also arranged for the Tor M1 system to come to cyprus. Michaelides took a big chunk if commission from tzohatzopoulos.

As for internal witch hunts, these traitors took funds away from the defense of Greece and Cyprus to feed Swiss bank accounts. Thats money that i have given in taxes and not spent on my kids for these scumbags.

by **Get Real!** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:11 am

The problem is the existence of the useless and completely unneccessary defense minister position.

What do civilians know about multi million dollar defense systems? It's the perfect position for corruption to flourish.

by **GreekIslandGirl** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:12 am

DT. wrote:As for internal witch hunts, these traitors took funds away from the defense of Greece and Cyprus to feed Swiss bank accounts. Thats money that i have given in taxes and not spent on my kids for these scumbags.

Would like to see us reacting against these practices as a matter of course. As much time needs to be devoted to developing policy to prevent these things happening in the future. Otherwise, when the witch-hunt is over, the heirs of these wrongdoers will carry on where the last lot left off. If we're just witch-hunting to satisfy outsiders, when the binoculars are turned away, we won't have anything in place to safeguard against these practices except people's short-term memories.

(I see GR! has cut to the chase. Agree and more ... )

by **Paphitis** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:38 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
DT. wrote:As for internal witch hunts, these traitors took funds away from the defense of Greece and Cyprus to feed Swiss bank accounts. Thats money that i have given in taxes and not spent on my kids for these scumbags.

Would like to see us reacting against these practices as a matter of course. As much time needs to be devoted to developing policy to prevent these things happening in the future. Otherwise, when the witch-hunt is over, the heirs of these wrongdoers will carry on where the last lot left off. If we're just witch-hunting to satisfy outsiders, when the binoculars are turned away, we won't have anything in place to safeguard against these practices except people's short-term memories.

(I see GR! has cut to the chase. Agree and more ... )

When their are consequences and checks and balances then these kind of activities are reduced.

If laws have been broken like the Greek Submarine Contract and Cypriot TOR Contract, then those responsible should pay!

by **Paphitis** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:07 pm

Get Real! wrote:The problem is the existence of the useless and completely unneccessary defense minister position.

What do civilians know about multi million dollar defense systems? It's the perfect position for corruption to flourish.

Hi GR!,

I believe this is highly innacurate unless that is how things are done for the CNG, in which case you have a big problem.

Since I do not know the dynamics of Greece or Cyprus, I can tell you how these things work elsewhere.

The Minister is responsibke for the Defence White Paper. This is a 30 year or more capability planning framework. The White Paper is actually constructed by the most senior Officers and Defence Officials (retired Officers usually).

The Minister and the Government can guide this policy doctrine. For example, they can say that procurement will focus on Strategic Strike, submarine or new fighter procurement for 2013. They also finalize the expenditure budget. They do have the power to increase funding without Parliamentary approval.

Once the whitepaper roadmap is clear, tenders are announced. Weapons Manufacturers such as Siemens will then apply to a review committee comprising the top brass of Naval Officers and mostly submariners. The Minister may have a seat on the panel, but the solutions put forward must be adequate to meet capability and specification requirements as set by the Navy. This could be a long process before the Panel of Officers make a decision on the winning tender.

The Minister must sign off on the recommendations of the committee.

Now an avenue of corruption could be Siemens giving the Minister an illegal inducement. The Minister then will have to pressure the Officers to accept his pro Siemans recommendations. Some Officers will resist because they are nutters for never compromising capability. Siemans could attempt providing an inducement to the committee! But, they risk running into some Officers that can never be bought, so that will be stupid to try.

The weakest link is indeed the Minister!

The Senate can set up a reviewing committee which would oversee the implementation of various policies. If they detect a Policy violation, then a Royal Commission can be formed and they have the power to prosecute any Officers on the panel and even go after the Minister. The Senate Committee is bipartisan. It could be chaired by opposition.

If things don't run like this, then the CNG has major problems.

by **B25** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:27 pm

Paph, save your breath, just give the guy a dozen ampelopoulia and he'll sign whatever you want. You don't seriously expect logic in Cyp do you?

by **Paphitis** » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:47 pm

B25 wrote:Paph, save your breath, just give the guy a dozen ampelopoulia and he'll sign whatever you want. You don't seriously expect logic in Cyp do you?

When it comes to money, power and corruption, logic is always the victim not just in Cyprus.

It can happen anywhere, and the processes I mentioned above are as a result of scandals in the past. The process continuously evolves over time and improved or strengthened.

There is no reason why Cyprus cant implement processes like this, or variations of such processes.

Yes, we need to aspire to reducing the incidence of any scandalous misconduct and implement a zero tolerance for any violations.

We can never assume that this is a Cypriot reality.