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[turkcyp]

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[Piratis]

This is not a matter of time, it is a matter of balance of power. If balance of power shifts then many things can change on the ground and the 30, 50 or 100 years can mean nothing.

Just remember: several empires that lasted for centuries (and not a mere 30 years) do not even exist anymore.

[turkcyp]

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[brother]

I care to leave my children a good life and peacful existence in their home country.

[magikthrill]

Show me a solution that has been proposed by the UN recently that give right to return to all Palastenians, and that dismantles all the settlements in west bank.

The UN is obviously useless in both the cases of Palestine and Cyprus. But I do think all settlements in the Gaza Strip are being dismantled and soon so will the west bank. Of course Palestinians deserve much more and maybe one day justice will be served, but somehow I doubt that.

[Nickp]

The future I see, and unfortunately on this forum it will be met with abuse, is a status quo.

My feeling is the No vote by the GCs has alienated the EU and the TCs will benefit (it has already started with aid from the EU and the USA).

I see Turkey being accepted into the EU and Cyprus not being an issue (what did the US say, 'We're an elephant and Cyprus is just a flea'). The trnc will begin to be recognised, informally at first, but eventually formally and worldwide.

At that stage (or perhaps sooner) Turkey will begin to withdraw troops and leave behind a self ruling separate country.

This is my view of the future. Please reread the first sentence.

I disagree with this prediction. I think the most realistic scenario is that there will be a solution in the medium term based on the "Annan Plan" but with either side not gaining that much. The focus on the news will be the problems facing the implentation rarther than the 30 year focus on the division of the island. However, i think imediately everyone will feel the benefits, both sides will continue to work and live in peace. That's it, i'm sure it's that simple! Given the chance everyone will work the solution, even though it may not be ideal for either side we'll get use to it and appreciate the better circumstance.

I think interestingly enough though, 50 years after a solution is found a turkish north and Greek south will be very blurred as new generations will mix and move aound the island leading to an island demopraphy similar to pre 1960.

In terms of an Turkey's EU entry, i think it's very optimistic to think that Turkey will join the EU smoothly as it has lots of obstacles to overcome and European public opinion is against it. However, we'll see how things develop in the future.

[blaked]

Gawd I hope they don't join. Turkish people are not Europeans, plain and simple. They try to look and act like Europeans, which is impressive coming from a Muslim country in that most Muslims try to look and act like savages. Regardless, their culture is at odds with Europe as has been demonstrated in Turkish communities in Germany where young women have been killed by their siblings for acting 'western.'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4345459.stm

Most Turks live rural lives and have no place in industrialized Europe. In any society where the children of large, agrarian families must seek their fortune in the working world for the first time, these urban pioneers work long hours for meager pay. There is no acceptable reason why Europeans, whose hard won wage and income standards are unparalleled in the world, should compete with Turks who are willing to accept a lower (some would say slovenly) standard of living.

Back to TCS - I hope they join so that they can move to Germany brandishing EU citizenship and join the 2.6 million 'guests' already living there.

[brother]

Back to TCS - I hope they join so that they can move to Germany brandishing EU citizenship and join the 2.6 million 'guests' already living there.

Whats that supposed to mean?

[Red Brigade10]

TCS voted yes ,because it was the only way for them to enter in the EU.They would have voted yes probably even if the Annan plan recomended to bring the previous status quo before the invasions and the killings.Turkey doesn't have any option but to have a solution.Untill when they will be able to afford the expenses in the Turkish Cypriots.
Papadopoulos is wise that he rejected it.He will bargain a more favourable solution.I feel sorry for the Turkish people though , that they have to live in the poverty because of they little feuds in Turkey.

[cannedmoose]

The UN is obviously useless in both the cases of Palestine and Cyprus. But I do think all settlements in the Gaza Strip are being dismantled and soon so will the west bank. Of course Palestinians deserve much more and maybe one day justice will be served, but somehow I doubt that.

Just on your Gaza Strip point Thrill, yes it looks like the settlements will be removed, or more likely totally destroyed when the Israelis pull out of the strip. However, Israeli troops will continue to control the borders of the territory, including the border with Egypt; they will also continue to control the air and sea space, meaning that Gaza's ability for autonomous self-development will be subject to the whims of Israeli policy. We'll have a situation similar to that before this intifada began in 2000, albeit the Israelis won't have to worry about protecting thousands of settlers when responding to any future suicide bombings.

At the end of the day, the concentration camp that is Gaza will continue to be the mass prison it's been for the last 38 years.