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[Schnauzer]

Paphitis (without emphasis), all you have proven with your latest comments , is that you are fully prepared to accept the recent Political juggling of events surrounding the Syrian fiasco in order to extricate Obama and Cameron from an embarrassing situation, allowing them to save face, as FACTS.

You also attempt to discredit my views by indicating that you feel I am disappointed that the USA/UK did NOT unleash terror upon the already suffering Syrian population, when the FACT is that nowhere in anything I have ever written would uphold your view that I would advocate the murder of innocent civilians, which in FACT is precisely what the murderous Obama Hit-Squads were itching to do, regardless of the opinion of, thank God the Masses and the good sense (and veiled threats) of Russia, a nation strong enough to stand up to the bullying Yanks (another FACT)

With all the foregoing in mind, it is little wonder that (as you complain) I do not supply the FACTS you so earnestly seek.... there is a perfectly simple explanation for such a FACT, the Masses are never privy to them and that is another FACT.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis (without emphasis), all you have proven with your latest comments , is that you are fully prepared to accept the recent Political juggling of events surrounding the Syrian fiasco in order to extricate Obama and Cameron from an embarrassing situation, allowing them to save face, as FACTS.

You also attempt to discredit my views by indicating that you feel I am disappointed that the USA/UK did NOT unleash terror upon the already suffering Syrian population, when the FACT is that nowhere in anything I have ever written would uphold your view that I would advocate the murder of innocent civilians, which in FACT is precisely what the murderous Obama Hit-Squads were itching to do, regardless of the opinion of, thank God the Masses and the good sense (and veiled threats) of Russia, a nation strong enough to stand up to the bullying Yanks (another FACT)

With all the foregoing in mind, it is little wonder that (as you complain) I do not supply the FACTS you so earnestly seek.... there is a perfectly simple explanation for such a FACT, the Masses are never privy to them and that is another FACT.

FACT is they don't even have to extricate themselves.

FACT is the weapons inspectors are in Syria and it appears that the regime is playing ball.

FACT is, the people of Syria are now a little safer because of the buildup and because chemical weapons will never be used on them again.

FACT is, you don't provide any FACTS because you don't have any FACTS, but when it comes to voodoo Conspiracy Theories, innuendos, and hearsay, you're a friggin champion!

[Schnauzer]

Paphitis (without emphasis), all you have proven with your latest comments , is that you are fully prepared to accept the recent Political juggling of events surrounding the Syrian fiasco in order to extricate Obama and Cameron from an embarrassing situation, allowing them to save face, as FACTS.

You also attempt to discredit my views by indicating that you feel I am disappointed that the USA/UK did NOT unleash terror upon the already suffering Syrian population, when the FACT is that nowhere in anything I have ever written would uphold your view that I would advocate the murder of innocent civilians, which in FACT is precisely what the murderous Obama Hit-Squads were itching to do, regardless of the opinion of, thank God the Masses and the good sense (and veiled threats) of Russia, a nation strong enough to stand up to the bullying Yanks (another FACT)

With all the foregoing in mind, it is little wonder that (as you complain) I do not supply the FACTS you so earnestly seek.... there is a perfectly simple explanation for such a FACT, the Masses are never privy to them and that is another FACT.

FACT is they don't even have to extricate themselves.

FACT is the weapons inspectors are in Syria and it appears that the regime is playing ball.

FACT is, the people of Syria are now a little safer because of the buildup and because chemical weapons will never be used on them again.

FACT is, you don't provide any FACTS because you don't have any FACTS, but when it comes to voodoo Conspiracy Theories, innuendos, and hearsay, you're a friggin champion!

I am not going to dispute any of the above claims since (as they are the culmination of the Political Juggling) they are quite irrelevant to that which we were discussing.

However, your reference to the subject 'VOODOO' is a matter which I feel I should address since I cannot deny that I have NEVER been involved in situations that could be compared to some of the practices of such.

Therefore, I confess that I HAVE stuck things up a 'Doll' or two in my time, particularly around Sloane Square (where I currently reside) and though the 'Dolls' are somewhat unworldly, they are nevertheless quite convinced that facial beauty and 'Daddy's Money' is enough to ensure that they will trick some unsuspecting 'Beau' into believing that their social graces are enough to sustain them in life.

Back to the subject of 'Multiculturalism' (In ''s), I think the precious little darlings may soon be in for some surprises, the area around here is also undergoing quite a few changes, I will let you know if and when I have some definite Facts.

[repulsewarrior]

...fact is none of us know the truth, we can only imagine what the motives are. truth is, the chemical weapons are off the table in Syria, and the debate has been opened to define more clearly their use as a weapon in warfare. it took the brink of war, to get here, and in my opinion, nothing to be proud of, too easy, the way things are framed, i don't see any of the interlocutors as having as an intent, the betterment of Humanity, it is personified as a civil war, as though there are two sides and a very clear division on a set of Principals that are mutually exclusive, i see the "sides" exploited because they are there, pro Assad and anti Assad, the reality of War Crime is not the issue front and centre, and each ("side") with their individuals who hide within what is a collective, that commit the acts which by any definition are criminal, if there was a state of Law.

...where are the Peacekeepers, are you telling me that the allies of Syria, as opposed to Assad or the SLA or al "whatever", are unable to drum up the troops who will defend anyone who at this moment is threatened by a brutality that is destroying whatever goodwill was developed by these people as neighbours over who knows how long? is it 'cheaper' to leave so many lives go to waste, or is that the actual objective because in fact the revolving circle of it all (as in many other cases) has been denied (by the world's Leadership). Multiculturalism, can be extended to the relationships we have as cultures, but on a deeper level it is the key to our understanding of the world beyond this planet, here is an example where the status quo, us/them cannot work, one Nation is not "right", you cannot generalise the Individuals who commit these atrocities, as Persons. they are an evil that thrives because of an unwillingness to look at ourselves, as beings which change, and that there are some Principals which are Universal, for which, none of us can be excluded (as in responsibility).

dear friends, pardon me, i wrote this off the top of my head, and i don't care to reread it, if it makes less sense than normal.

[yialousa1971]

[Paphitis]

Paphitis (without emphasis), all you have proven with your latest comments , is that you are fully prepared to accept the recent Political juggling of events surrounding the Syrian fiasco in order to extricate Obama and Cameron from an embarrassing situation, allowing them to save face, as FACTS.

You also attempt to discredit my views by indicating that you feel I am disappointed that the USA/UK did NOT unleash terror upon the already suffering Syrian population, when the FACT is that nowhere in anything I have ever written would uphold your view that I would advocate the murder of innocent civilians, which in FACT is precisely what the murderous Obama Hit-Squads were itching to do, regardless of the opinion of, thank God the Masses and the good sense (and veiled threats) of Russia, a nation strong enough to stand up to the bullying Yanks (another FACT)

With all the foregoing in mind, it is little wonder that (as you complain) I do not supply the FACTS you so earnestly seek.... there is a perfectly simple explanation for such a FACT, the Masses are never privy to them and that is another FACT.

FACT is they don't even have to extricate themselves.

FACT is the weapons inspectors are in Syria and it appears that the regime is playing ball.

FACT is, the people of Syria are now a little safer because of the buildup and because chemical weapons will never be used on them again.

FACT is, you don't provide any FACTS because you don't have any FACTS, but when it comes to voodoo Conspiracy Theories, innuendos, and hearsay, you're a friggin champion!

I am not going to dispute any of the above claims since (as they are the culmination of the Political Juggling) they are quite irrelevant to that which we were discussing.

However, your reference to the subject 'VOODOO' is a matter which I feel I should address since I cannot deny that I have NEVER been involved in situations that could be compared to some of the practices of such.

Therefore, I confess that I HAVE stuck things up a 'Doll' or two in my time, particularly around Sloane Square (where I currently reside) and though the 'Dolls' are somewhat unworldly, they are nevertheless quite convinced that facial beauty and 'Daddy's Money' is enough to ensure that they will trick some unsuspecting 'Beau' into believing that their social graces are enough to sustain them in life.

Back to the subject of 'Multiculturalism' (In ''s), I think the precious little darlings may soon be in for some surprises, the area around here is also undergoing quite a few changes, I will let you know if and when I have some definite Facts.

Yes of course! How much would people of your ilk wish these surprsises upon the people and country that hosts you as a newly accepted citizen?

One thing I can never get is how some people will bag a particular country so much. Then you find out they actually live there!

We are talking about your one eyed political views which have clouded your judgment!

[GreekIslandGirl]

I thought this was quite a good comment from yesterday's Guardian:

"What is naively considered a Greek problem is much more than that – it is no accident that Marie Le Pen's Front National and Nigel Farage's Ukip have increased in popularity recently. The far right is on the rise and collective action at a European level is needed. When parties like the Greek Laos or the French FN become part of the mainstream right, what is considered extreme becomes even more so...."

"elleygray" comments:
A reasonable summary.
However, what we seem reluctant to address is 'WHY' in many countries across Europe, and including Britain, is the 'Right' is attracting support?
And herein the answer resides, for the moment mute and unpalatable in its implications. And more so to the 'liberal-political-intelligentsia' who have imposed their will and dogmatic contamination of ''Multiculturalism-Enriches-Us-All'', through, it appears, the back-door of democratic process. And albeit, to all intent and purpose, what often has appeared to be, unrestricted immigration across Europe to non-Europeans of an ideological alien sway, that many in Europe find both distasteful and a threat to their values and culture.
And, like it or not, should we continue down this road of pandering and accommodating all asunder, be it in social avenues and even in Law, ''they are probably right''!
For make no mistake:
One man's 'enrichment', is another man's dilution. And the dilution of all that he may hold dear, in respect of, history culture and the values of his Nation, be it Britain, France, Greece or Germany. And the impression prevails that the indigenous people of many of these Nations are increasingly ignored, so as to accommodate and pander to alien cultures and ''their sensitivities''.
Whereas, in the matter of sensitivities, it is the opposite that in the interest in harmony (when in Rome) that should undoubtedly prevail. In essence, that alien cultures should show a great deal more respect and good manners to their host Nations and people. Albeit, the Host-Nation's culture, customs and sensitivities.
And if not, then make no mistake: We store a coming-storm.

It's interesting that people are now beginning to accept how far-right some groups (UKIP etc) truly are - no longer fooled by "smiles and suits".

GD were easy targets for some fools who believe you are only far-right if you wear black and carry the Greek Key. The more subversive are the ones who go underground with their message - stand-up my lovely Nigel you deserve a Nobel prize for fooling the most people, for most of the time.

[Paphitis]

I thought this was quite a good comment from yesterday's Guardian:

"What is naively considered a Greek problem is much more than that – it is no accident that Marie Le Pen's Front National and Nigel Farage's Ukip have increased in popularity recently. The far right is on the rise and collective action at a European level is needed. When parties like the Greek Laos or the French FN become part of the mainstream right, what is considered extreme becomes even more so...."

"elleygray" comments:
A reasonable summary.
However, what we seem reluctant to address is 'WHY' in many countries across Europe, and including Britain, is the 'Right' is attracting support?
And herein the answer resides, for the moment mute and unpalatable in its implications. And more so to the 'liberal-political-intelligentsia' who have imposed their will and dogmatic contamination of ''Multiculturalism-Enriches-Us-All'', through, it appears, the back-door of democratic process. And albeit, to all intent and purpose, what often has appeared to be, unrestricted immigration across Europe to non-Europeans of an ideological alien sway, that many in Europe find both distasteful and a threat to their values and culture.
And, like it or not, should we continue down this road of pandering and accommodating all asunder, be it in social avenues and even in Law, ''they are probably right''!
For make no mistake:
One man's 'enrichment', is another man's dilution. And the dilution of all that he may hold dear, in respect of, history culture and the values of his Nation, be it Britain, France, Greece or Germany. And the impression prevails that the indigenous people of many of these Nations are increasingly ignored, so as to accommodate and pander to alien cultures and ''their sensitivities''.
Whereas, in the matter of sensitivities, it is the opposite that in the interest in harmony (when in Rome) that should undoubtedly prevail. In essence, that alien cultures should show a great deal more respect and good manners to their host Nations and people. Albeit, the Host-Nation's culture, customs and sensitivities.
And if not, then make no mistake: We store a coming-storm.

It's interesting that people are now beginning to accept how far-right some groups (UKIP etc) truly are - no longer fooled by "smiles and suits".

GD were easy targets for some fools who believe you are only far-right if you wear black and carry the Greek Key. The more subversive are the ones who go underground with their message - stand-up my lovely Nigel you deserve a Nobel prize for fooling the most people, for most of the time.

Nah, Nige is a pussy cat who has the gift of the gab and fights EU Tyranny against the Southern Europeans in particular.

Certainly no NAZI like GD!

Where's the link?

[miltiades]

I have never subscribed to the idea that sensivities of those that came to the UK, most of them after great difficulties in obtaining documents required, on their own free will, should be entertained. How about my sensitivities, or do they not count.

Go to any nation to live and you abide by their way of life, if you are not happy then the choice is entirely yours.

[Paphitis]

I thought this was quite a good comment from yesterday's Guardian:

"What is naively considered a Greek problem is much more than that – it is no accident that Marie Le Pen's Front National and Nigel Farage's Ukip have increased in popularity recently. The far right is on the rise and collective action at a European level is needed. When parties like the Greek Laos or the French FN become part of the mainstream right, what is considered extreme becomes even more so...."

"elleygray" comments:
A reasonable summary.
However, what we seem reluctant to address is 'WHY' in many countries across Europe, and including Britain, is the 'Right' is attracting support?
And herein the answer resides, for the moment mute and unpalatable in its implications. And more so to the 'liberal-political-intelligentsia' who have imposed their will and dogmatic contamination of ''Multiculturalism-Enriches-Us-All'', through, it appears, the back-door of democratic process. And albeit, to all intent and purpose, what often has appeared to be, unrestricted immigration across Europe to non-Europeans of an ideological alien sway, that many in Europe find both distasteful and a threat to their values and culture.
And, like it or not, should we continue down this road of pandering and accommodating all asunder, be it in social avenues and even in Law, ''they are probably right''!
For make no mistake:
One man's 'enrichment', is another man's dilution. And the dilution of all that he may hold dear, in respect of, history culture and the values of his Nation, be it Britain, France, Greece or Germany. And the impression prevails that the indigenous people of many of these Nations are increasingly ignored, so as to accommodate and pander to alien cultures and ''their sensitivities''.
Whereas, in the matter of sensitivities, it is the opposite that in the interest in harmony (when in Rome) that should undoubtedly prevail. In essence, that alien cultures should show a great deal more respect and good manners to their host Nations and people. Albeit, the Host-Nation's culture, customs and sensitivities.
And if not, then make no mistake: We store a coming-storm.

It's interesting that people are now beginning to accept how far-right some groups (UKIP etc) truly are - no longer fooled by "smiles and suits".

GD were easy targets for some fools who believe you are only far-right if you wear black and carry the Greek Key. The more subversive are the ones who go underground with their message - stand-up my lovely Nigel you deserve a Nobel prize for fooling the most people, for most of the time.

Do UKIP MPs assault leftist politicians?

Do UKIP party officials murder left wing rappers?

Are UKIP holocaust rejectionists?

Do UKIP gangs attack immigrants on the streets?

Do UKIP party officials hand out food to Greeks whilst rejecting homeless immigrants because they are foreign?

UKIP are just a middle of the road right wing party that is quite mainstream. Nothing you could say which is extreme or fascist. Led by a respectful, honourable and ethical person in Nigel Farage who obviously loves Britain and has his platform which he believes places Britain first.

Quite a respectable politician. Level headed and intelligent. You can't say the same for any of the GD MPs who are in fact very extreme.

An asset to the European Parliament, because his voice is needed against the tyrants who have destroyed half of Europe and wish to have 500 million people under their thumb.

A voice for Not only Britain, but Greece, Spain, Portugal, Cyprus and Ireland.

No comparison to GD!

Furthermore, multiculturism is fantastic provided it is handled well. I wouldn't have it any other way. Life is more interesting, culture is enriched and the food, music and drink. Like living in a mosaic. But it takes a very mature country, to get the right mix. If you visit Australia and Canada you will see this and believe me, life is interesting and colourful and people are happy and comfortable.