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[Paphitis]

Best post in this thread!

Well done Cap!

The Politically Correct PC brigade is alive and well.

Young children are taught falsehoods, and all you have to do is look at Greek Schools in the Diaspora and schools in Cyprus to know this, particularly when the by products are people like Kurupetos, Yialooser, and Schnauser!

Even the Cypriot education system needs a drastic overhaul!

[Cap]

Meanwhile in S Africa...

[Flying Horse]

Best post in this thread!

Well done Cap!

The Politically Correct PC brigade is alive and well.

Young children are taught falsehoods, and all you have to do is look at Greek Schools in the Diaspora and schools in Cyprus to know this, particularly when the by products are people like Kurupetos, Yialooser, and Schnauser!

Even the Cypriot education system needs a drastic overhaul!

Cap, that is a marvellous quote!
My other half is always banging on about children being guided by misinformation and indoctrinated into a narrow path of fed false thinking. He went to an all boys catholic school in Scotland, and Greek school on top.... Scarred him for life

I don't mind Muslim ladies, with the head scarves. Never have. However, I find the full on letter box quite intimidating. To force children to wear them in schools, personally I find wrong in the UK. Its not the middle east.

It is generally accepted that it is wrong to 'Force' children to do (or wear) anything which might make them unhappy, however, is there enough evidence to sustain the opinion that children who are attending 'Islamic Schools' ARE forced to wear such apparel ?.

I do not think that we should place too much faith in what we are 'TOLD' to conclude as a result of a 'News-clip' on the subject.

If you ever have the opportunity to discuss the subject with an adult 'Devotee', you will find that they are extremely 'Proud' to display their devotion to their faith, the problem IS, that most reporting on the subject of 'Islam' is 'Negative' and people are fearful (or as you have indicated) 'Intimidated' by that which (to WE outside of the faith) is quite beyond our understanding.

For fear of sounding a total racist, and I'll say this as diplomatic(or blunt) as I possibly can.
This is the UK. We have accepted the head scarf as a perfectly normal every day occurrence for decades.
I live around the corner from a majority Muslim school, where white kids are exceedingly few. Believe it or not, head scarves are few, but if worn are black, to go with the uniform. They all wear black trousers, black jumpers and generally are normal school children going about their way. There are no full shrouds. In my eye, being a majority Muslim school, these kids are allowed to integrate into society as any other child.
What is unacceptable is that only in this last few years have the full on shroud become more and more prominent. It's as if its a protest. Attention seeking almost. What you see is young British Muslim women doing this. Knowing how antagonistic the young girls at the school can be(if their fathers heard what came out of their mouths they'd be beaten with sticks!) They're most certainly not forced to wear a black tent when they hit their rebellious twenties, and its certainly NOT RELIGIOUS! Gosh, noting the behaviour of Muslim lasses at work it makes you wonder they are Muslim.at all.
On that alone, I'd say this Islamic school is 'manipulating' young minds in a far more narrowly minded approach than a majority main stream Muslim school. This is wrong. It's also alarming. Brainwashing, especially when it is told it is a cultural not a religious habit, not to mention personal.

I've spent many a nightshift debating and discussing various aspects of religion with devout Muslim men. I'm pretty certain if I was to pick up the phone and discuss this now with my devout friend and ocolleague, he'd say this was wrong to be imposing this in our country.
It has nothing to do with faith or religion in the UK. Some genuinely do it for faith and religion, I don't argue that..others, personally I think it is something slightly more twisted.

I could go on all day. One thing for sure, I ain't no racist, however I express my opinion QUIETLY something which hasn't yet been taken away by the politically correct brigade just yet. However, those outside my world are just as much allowed to express opinion...... As long as its not in my face, and QUIETLY.

[GreekIslandGirl]

I still think the most offensive piece in the article had to be Clueless Cameron's response:

"We support schools in setting their own uniform guidelines."

That’s what happened in Cyprus last year. The schools now dictate attire and most opted for jeans and white T-shirts.

Talk about too scared to tackle the real issue!

And if I was a Muslim (pbta that I'm not) I would take real issue with my mode of dress being described as a "uniform". These girls will become women who will still wear a "uniform" by Cameron's logic.

And if I was a Headteacher in a 'normal' school I would feel insulted that the term school uniform was branded about in this way as the whole point of a school uniform is to break down barriers (regardless of family wealth, all wear the same clothes) and also provide something practical and comfortable to allow concentration for learning. Neither of these apply to the wearing of jihabs or burkas. They don't break down barriers and they are not practical nor comfortable.

Burqas are ridiculous but I don't see a problem with scarves any more than I see a problem with Sikhs wearing turbans or Jews wearing the kippah.

Singling out Muslims is downright racist and daft.

I don't take issue with the wearing of scarves either; but I could take issue with imposing any form of attire that singles out anyone one as "different". For example, choosing to be a punk is one thing, a fine thing - choice; being forced to get your nose pierced is another thing, a bad thing - enforcement.

And I don't know how you derived from my post that anyone is "singling out Muslims" - it's (some) Muslims themselves who remain detached, un-integrated and wear these particular clothes which are so extreme in their statement. A statement of evil? Like chastity belts once were ...

Anyhow - "Muslim" is not a race. It's something you can choose, change or discard without physiological incongruence.

[kurupetos]

Kick them out. They can do whatever they want in their own countries. It's not a matter of racism, but a matter of survival. Our survival.

I wonder where you might fight a pair of boots Big enough for the job !

Wait a little longer S. GD's boots are huge! IMO, we should firstly take care of the local leftist traitors.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Glad to see many here supporting a Classical Greek education - something which is being adopted by more and more schools. The end product would be more people questioning their governments and rising up against accepted "norms" - welcome to the world of Golden Dawn!

[Paphitis]

Glad to see many here supporting a Classical Greek education - something which is being adopted by more and more schools. The end product would be more people questioning their governments and rising up against accepted "norms" - welcome to the world of Golden Dawn!

GD are very far from Classical Greek education.

Don't piss me off and pretend you support them!

[miltiades]

As one who has never entertained the nonsense of a multi culture society, believing instead that when in Rome.....

We are told that we have to respect cultures that are abhorent to OUR civilization as we know it.

Forced marriages, bodily mutilation, constant spitting in the streets, a cultural activity in many of these third world cultures along with unsightly whiskers and women covered from head to toes. No thank you, I like our Western world culture, our freedom of speech and choice of faith, believe or not believe. Privilages gained over hundreds of years, now we are told we have to repsect dated anachronistic cultures. Keep them, I say, back home.

[repulsewarrior]

As one who has never entertained the nonsense of a multi culture society, believing instead that when in Rome.....

We are told that we have to respect cultures that are abhorent to OUR civilization as we know it.

Forced marriages, bodily mutilation, constant spitting in the streets, a cultural activity in many of these third world cultures along with unsightly whiskers and women covered from head to toes. No thank you, I like our Western world culture, our freedom of speech and choice of faith, believe or not believe. Privilages gained over hundreds of years, now we are told we have to respect dated anachronistic cultures. Keep them, I say, back home.

in Canada, the issue of multiculturalism has been embraced, by its description as a mosaic. being a country that is bicommunal, it has evolved to have a State which effectively secures (all Canadians) their Rights as Individuals, a big picture. and as Persons, they secure the recognition and respect they need to sustain their distinct identities, by free association, and in the representation they elect as the constituents of a neighbourhood (or region), by Province, and Municipality. the debate of religious/cultural accommodation, is an ongoing process.

...the point being, things do not stay, "the same", and some of what we resist is simple, plain Intolerance, because of the fears we have within ourselves. but, (i repeat), if we have learned anything from the First World War, the "enemy" is not the Nation, as in Nation against Nations, but the Ignorance within, those who choose to deny the fact that their hatred only serves nothing more than their selfish needs to stay the same; that hatred is a good thing against real enemies, not each other. and in that regard, Lest We Forget, that this change must come from all of us, and from within ourselves.

...and to milti, allow me to tell you of an incident that happened many years ago, at University, in the cafeteria (7th floor), witnessing an exchange student (black as coal), empty a bag of chips on the ground, before tossing the empty bag in the garbage can. i asked, what are you doing, he said, what do you mean?, (lucky i come from a village too; lucky my grandfather spit his watermelon seeds, so that the ants could get them, far enough from the kitchen door that didn't totally piss off my grandmother), i said, do you see bugs on the ground?, he said, no, i said we do not want bugs in the buildings, he said, oh, thank-you: you see, it was about not wasting food, his motive; easy to judge him and then generalise (oh so superior and wise), but i understood (what was, his act of Humility).

...giving the hijab (or whatever) so much attention only serves to make it a political tool to be used by the extremists we as in the rest of us, abhor. integration is a two way street, diversity is important, feeding those hungry, and willing to learn, should be a priority, it does not take a "whatever" to sense there is injustice in judging others as "others" because for some reason they are different to "you". this is natural, to weigh things, it should be just as natural to celebrate the Universal and Infinite power of Love, and with one God, or not, to have the Grace to be giving, as a Human being, because our lives (the mind that goes with it), it seems are a gift given to us, from which we choose to make this living, a moment before death, sadly missed by others.

[miltiades]

What exactly is " CULTURE"
"The arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively as a group.

A cultural activity can not be considered as either intelligent or some sort of human achievement if a "cultural" group behave as their forefathers did some thousand or so years ago. If when I came to UK was dressed as my grandfather did, ie in a VRAKA AND BOINES, I would not by far be considered as either intelligent or progressive.

Cannibals also had their own culture, if prevalent today would the stupid politicians demanded that we respect this form of human barbaric behaviour ?

What characterises a civilized nation is the ability of that nation to progress and move on, as indeed the Europeans, the Americans , Japanese etc have done.

If we are to respect other peoples cultures then their behaviour, eating habits, dress mode and social behaviour be seen to be civilized.
Covering women folk from head to toe is not a civilized behariour but an anachronistic and bloody stupid one regardless what the motivation for such crude unsightly practice is.

People whose culture demands the wearing of a ridiculous head cover that sets them apart from the very people that they should be grateful to for giving them a standard of life and social order unavailable in their own countries.

Instead they make demands on our cultural behaviour.