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[kimon07]

Kimon07 - "Isolated North"....seriously mate, you must really get out more, visit the north, check out the Regulated Mercedes and BMW and Hyundai Car dealers, the British EOKA Memorial, the HSBC bank.....

Glad to hear they are not isolated. So they should shut the fuck up and stop crying they are.

......the fact that the TRNC is even categorised as an "Unrecognised STATE" makes it legal.

Is that the turkish interpretation of international law?

......If it were not, why would Your President be COMPELLED by the UN to sit around a table with President Eroglu (another Turkish Mainlander by the way - check out his Dr Credentials when he was in Ankara back in the day!).....

Have you ever heard anything about the "intercommunal talks? And that Anastasiades has apointed a negotiator to represent the Greek Cypriot side and talk with the "President" of the "trnc" from now on?

.........I pitty this Forum, and the blind Greek Cypriots talkiing amongst themselves about nothing besides begging that one day Turkey will leave the island. Many of my Greek Cypriot Compatriots used to say the same thing in 1976, 78,79,80,81,82,83 (ooopppss 83"), 84............91,92,93......2004,2005....now they are dead. What a Shambles the Cyprus issue has become, being handed over to an ill educated generation whom have never heard of the EVKAF, the EOKA A and EOKA B, and more importantly whom do not know how the British tricked the Republic of Cyprus into signing two large areas of its land for its (British) military bases. Speak to "Get Real".....but, ask him to tell the truth!

Thanks for coming around to educate us ignorant aborigines. In the mean time I suggest to read this:

The Bloody Truth about Cyprus
Book essay:
EuropeNews 28 April 2011
Bloody truth, Nicosia, March 2009
By Henrik R. Clausen
http://europenews.dk/en/node/42657


Book download PDF:
(First part is in Greek and the second in English).
http://hellenicgenealogygeek.blogspot.g ... rkish.html

[kimon07]

B2B - Don't bother about Downer's email address as he knows all this better than any of us. The point is, there's nothing anyone can ever do about it, unless.........

...those who helped the Turks in and those who allowed them to stay in all these decades, for one reason or the other, decide that the time has come to force Turkey to abide by the UN resolutions and get out? Like they forced Saddam out of Kuwait? I agree to that.

[MrH]

Kimon07 - Your Suggestion of such a book is pointless Kimon. Let me tell you why, because I am probably old enough to be your father, have lived through those "bad" conflict years, have written TWO books on Cyprus myself, and many articles across a variety of British newspapers. I know elements of the Cyprus problem that could make Greek Cypriots want to fight each other if they knew how much damage was done when they took political sides back in 1974 - so please, you continue your reading until you hit "The Genocide Files" by my good friend Mr Harry Scott Gibbons. Each side has their own ghost story of the Cyprus problem, which, leads not only myself but all players of the Cyprus UN negotiations who KNOW that a TWO State resolution is the only choice. The only reason why there is not a current armed struggle is because the Turkish Cypriots are too laid back, otherwise it (Cyprus) would have looked similarly to let's say the former Yugoslavia or even Israel/Palestine. But, don't cash your luck in too soon Kimon07 as the Hydro-Carbon Gas situation will soon anger the Greek Cypriots deeply when they realise that the foriegn powers have left them with only the TAX returns and not its shear wealth.

There are also many unrecognised states around the world, but that does not mean that they are not operational. The TRNC is there for life - well, it has been for those youngsters born after 1974, and there is truly nothing that the Greek Cypriots can do about it, particularly those whom sought EU entry assuming that it would have pushed Turkey to submit. In fact, it has actually taught turkey to NOT WANT to ever join the EU - which will never. Read a few newspaper from 1978 when Turkey and Greece were both offered Unconditional EU entry, but Turkey said "No". I wonder why? If you are an educated individual Kimon07, I would spend too much of your personal time on this forum as we've been writing pointlessly for years. It will fall on deaf ears - trust me!

[bill cobbett]

(Just to correct a minor point MrH ... the arrangements between the Republic and the Gas Cos aren't taxation-based... they are revenue-sharing agreements with, from memory, slightly more than half of the profits going to the Republic),

[MrH]

Hi Bill, true, true, but only for now! Look at what happened to North Sea Oil!

According to my findings and recent discussions on the matter, which were disclosed, there is no way that the U.S and GASPROM (for instance) will invest millions of their hard earned Tax Payers cash to search and dig for this venture for it to be handed over to the Greek Cypriots to control - it doesn't work that way.

Also, we need to keep in mind that the U.S, and others for that matter, Twist and Turn the platform of the Cyprus question according to their benefit.

For instance, the TRNC is Allowed to continue unopposed due to the benefits that aThree state scenario includes the two British base areas. If the island was to Unify under one umbrella and operate as a Fully Island-scope EU member state without any such political interventions, I can guarantee you that the next day the United Kingdom will receive a battle on its hands in the ECHR and other Legal centres with regards to its bases.

Although the Two UK-Bases are currently "Soveriegn", it is only because of the 1959-1960 Cyprus Republic Constitution, and would be forced to change if Cyprus were to be unified. In fact, I know that the Greek Cypriots, together with the Turkish Cypriots (in any new found united republic), under a unified Cyprus would instantly seek to "update" the new "United Cyprus Republic's" constitution completely in line with the EU-Acquis and the removal of ALL foreign influence on the island - apart from maybe a small EU Rapid reaction Security force (naturally headed by Germany and France, and including members from Greece and Turkey to keep the peace!) of some kind.

The Hydro-Carbon issue will most certainly cause a very complex stir. I hope our British government has been doing its homework!

[bill cobbett]

Certainly, we should all look forward, when the time is right, to a revision of the tenure of the SBAs to take away the "S" bit... and on much reduced footprints.

Oh and MrH, on the matter of North Sea Oil.. the GB Gov's cut has always been taxation-based.

[MrH]

QUOTE: Bill Cobbett
"Oh and MrH, on the matter of North Sea Oil.. the GB Gov's cut has always been taxation-based."

That's because we had no choice by the U.S, just like the Greek Cypriot with the Hydro Carbon affair - if not worse!

[kimon07]

Kimon07 - Your Suggestion of such a book is pointless Kimon. Let me tell you why, because I am probably old enough to be your father......

He passed away ten years ago when he was 83. So, You must be 93 today.

Read a few newspaper from 1978 when Turkey and Greece were both offered Unconditional EU entry, but Turkey said "No".....

I was prepared to answer your post BUT having read the part of it above I realised it would be a waste of time. So the EU offered "Unconditional entry" and Turkey said No huh? If that isn't the (Turkish) joke of the century. And what did Greece say? And I supose you can link us to those "few newspapers from 1978"??

[supporttheunderdog]

Certainly, we should all look forward, when the time is right, to a revision of the tenure of the SBAs to take away the "S" bit... and on much reduced footprints.

Oh and MrH, on the matter of North Sea Oil.. the GB Gov's cut has always been taxation-based.

Agree there Bill C: the S Bit and as much as possible of the BA bit should go as a part of a comprehensive settlement.

[kimon07]

Certainly, we should all look forward, when the time is right, to a revision of the tenure of the SBAs to take away the "S" bit... and on much reduced footprints.

Oh and MrH, on the matter of North Sea Oil.. the GB Gov's cut has always been taxation-based.

Agree there Bill C: the S Bit and as much as possible of the BA bit should go as a part of a comprehensive settlement.

If by "BA" you mean Base Areas, I disagree. They should remain and become NATO Base Areas or, even better, EU&NATO Rapid Deployment Force Base Areas, under the control of the RoC.