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Kurds in Turkey Seek Forgiveness For 1915 Armenian Tragedy

Postby yialousa1971 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:49 pm

By Hellas Frappe on 5.9.13

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IMAGE - Orobik Eminian, 98, who was the only member of her family to escape the World War I killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks, joins others in commemorating the 95th anniversary of the killings and a call for it to be termed a genocide in New York City, April 25, 2010. (photo by REUTERS/Jessica Rinaldi)]
Orobik Eminian, 98, who was the only member of her family to escape the World War I killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks, joins others in commemorating the 95th anniversary of the killings and a call for it to be termed a genocide in New York City, April 25, 2010.

This bleak assessment was pronounced by Sahak Mashalyan, an Armenian Orthodox priest, during a recent Sunday mass at the Asdvadzadzin church in Constantinople. Reeling off the statistics: 482 funerals, 236 baptisms and 191 weddings, the black-robed cleric solemnly intoned, “These figures point to a community … that is dying.”

Little over a century ago, the Armenian Patriarchate put Anatolia’s Armenian population at more than two million. In 1915, tragedy struck. Estimated figures vary, but between 800,000 and a million Armenians are thought to have been slaughtered by Ottoman forces and their Kurdish allies in what many respected historians call the first genocide of the 20th century. Turkey vehemently denies any genocidal intent. The official line is that most of the Armenians died from hunger and disease, as they were forcibly deported to the deserts of Syria amid the upheaval of the collapsing empire.

The ruling Islamic Justice and Development Party has done more than any of its pro-secular predecessors to improve the lot of Christian minorities and to encourage freer debate of the horrors that befell them. Yet it has also showered millions of dollars on international lobbying firms in a vain effort to peddle the official version of events. A steady trickle of nations continue to recognize the events of 1915 as genocide. Turkey’s biggest worry is that on the centenary in 2015, the United States will risk wrecking relations and follow suit.

In Turkey’s mainly Kurdish southeastern province of Diyarbakir, global diplomacy does not figure in the calculations of Abdullah Demirbas, the mayor of the city’s ancient Sur district. A maze of narrow cobbled streets lined with decrepit stone houses, Sur used to be known as the “neighborhood of the infidels” because of the large number of Armenians, Syrian Orthodox Christians and Jews who once lived there. Since being twice elected to office on the ticket of Turkey's largest pro-Kurdish party, Peace and Democracy (BDP), Demirbas, a stocky former schoolteacher with an easy smile, has thrown himself wholeheartedly into making amends for the past.

“As Kurds, we also bear responsibility for the suffering of the Armenians,” he told Al-Monitor over glasses of ruby-red tea. “We are sorry, and we need to prove it.” As a first step, Demirbas launched free Armenian-language classes two years ago at the municipality offices. “They were an instant hit,” Demirbas said.
Many of those who enrolled were thought to be “hidden Armenians” or the descendants of those who converted to Islam to survive.

One such "hidden Armenian," a gnarled octogenarian called Ismail, confided to Al-Monitor that his father’s real name was Leon.

“They wiped out his entire family, out in the fields,” he said as he awaited an audience with Demirbas. The old man’s voice cracked with emotion. “My father was rescued by a Turkish officer and became a Muslim. But though, praise God, I am a good Muslim too, praying five times a day, I know I am not accepted,” he added. “In their minds, I am always the son of the unbeliever.”
The Kurds’ role in the killings has been well documented, increasingly now by the Kurds themselves.

Egged on by their Ottoman rulers, Kurdish tribal chieftains raped, murdered and pillaged their way through the southeast provinces where for centuries they had co-existed, if uneasily, with the Armenians and other non-Muslims. Henry Morgenthau, who served as US ambassador in Constantinople at the height of the bloodshed, described the Kurds' complicity in his chilling 1918 memoir Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story thusly:

“The Kurds would sweep down from their mountain homes. Rushing up to the young girls, they would lift their veils and carry the pretty ones off to the hills. They would steal such children as pleased their fancy and mercilessly rob all the rest of the throng. … While they were committing these depredations, the Kurds would freely massacre, and the screams of women and old men would add to the general horror.”
Osman Koker, a Turkish historian who has chronicled Armenian life through a rich collection of postcards and photographs predating 1915, reckons more than half of Diyarbakir’s population was non-Muslim before the violence began.

“Most of them were Armenians, now there are none,” Koker told Al-Monitor in an interview. Hashim Hashimi, a former member of parliament and a Sunni Muslim spiritual leader with a robust following, told Al-Monitor, “Sadly, many imams were convincing people that if they killed an infidel they would find their place in heaven and be rewarded with beautiful girls.”
This meant that thousands of Syrian Orthodox and other Christians were not spared, either.

In 2009 Demirbas and Osman Baydemir, a fellow BDP politician and the mayor of Greater Diyarbakir, decided to help with the restoration of an Armenian Orthodox church that had lay in ruins for decades in Sur. Baydemir donated a third of the costs of restoring Surp Giragos to its former magnificence. In 2011 the church, said to be the largest Armenian church in the Middle East, opened its doors as a fully functioning house of worship.

Ergun Ayik, an Armenian entrepreneur and philanthropist who runs the Surp Giragos Foundation, told Al-Monitor that the BDP mayors “went out of their way to help us,” even providing the church with free utilities and security guards. A new museum of Armenian culture that is due to open by the end of 2013 within the Surp Giragos complex under the sponsorship of the Greater Diyarbakir municipality should also help draw tourists, not to mention thousands of “hidden Armenians” thought to be scattered across the southeast.

Silva Ozyerli, an Armenian activist from Diyarbakir who left for Istanbul in the 1970s, has agreed to donate some family treasures, including a silk nightshirt, several finely embroidered tablecloths and a pair of engraved copper bowls to the museum. Ozyerli voiced her enthusiasm for the project in an interview with Al-Monitor.

“You know why it is dear to me?” she asked a tinge of defiance creeping into her voice. “It is because everything in that museum will show people that not too long ago, Diyarbakir was every bit as Armenian as it was Kurdish, if not more so.”
Amberin Zaman for Al-Monitor Turkey Pulse - The author of this article, Amberin Zaman, is a Constantinople-based writer who has covered Turkey for The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times, The Daily Telegraph and the Voice of America. A frequent commentator on Turkish television, she is currently Turkey correspondent for The Economist, a position she has retained since 1999. On Twitter: @amberinzaman


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Re: Kurds in Turkey Seek Forgiveness For 1915 Armenian Trage

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:22 pm

yialousa1971 wrote: Turkey vehemently denies any genocidal intent. The official line is that most of the Armenians died from hunger and disease, as they were forcibly deported to the deserts of Syria amid the upheaval of the collapsing empire.


It's irrelevant what spin Turkey wants to put on HOW the Armenians were killed. Hitler might as well defend himself with ... "I only killed 3 million Jews as the other 3 million died from hunger and disease whilst they were waiting in the concentration camps to be gassed". :roll:

[It's time Turkey woke up to the fact that, until they stop occupying Cyprus or denying their crimes against humanity, they will never host the Olympics nor join the European race ...]
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Postby stpier » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:07 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote: Turkey vehemently denies any genocidal intent. The official line is that most of the Armenians died from hunger and disease, as they were forcibly deported to the deserts of Syria amid the upheaval of the collapsing empire.


It's irrelevant what spin Turkey wants to put on HOW the Armenians were killed. Hitler might as well defend himself with ... "I only killed 3 million Jews as the other 3 million died from hunger and disease whilst they were waiting in the concentration camps to be gassed". :roll:

[It's time Turkey woke up to the fact that, until they stop occupying Cyprus or denying their crimes against humanity, they will never host the Olympics nor join the European race ...]


How white is this European race? Because I am whiter than this Afro-asian tribe located south of TRNC. I don't think the Finnish race has anything to do with these gypsy looking dark skinned people.
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Postby Cap » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:21 pm

White trailer trash mayhap?
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Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:21 pm

stpier wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote: Turkey vehemently denies any genocidal intent. The official line is that most of the Armenians died from hunger and disease, as they were forcibly deported to the deserts of Syria amid the upheaval of the collapsing empire.


It's irrelevant what spin Turkey wants to put on HOW the Armenians were killed. Hitler might as well defend himself with ... "I only killed 3 million Jews as the other 3 million died from hunger and disease whilst they were waiting in the concentration camps to be gassed". :roll:

[It's time Turkey woke up to the fact that, until they stop occupying Cyprus or denying their crimes against humanity, they will never host the Olympics nor join the European race ...]


How white is this European race? Because I am whiter than this Afro-asian tribe located south of TRNC. I don't think the Finnish race has anything to do with these gypsy looking dark skinned people.


Well, my little racist, it has nothing to do with skin colour but everything to do with grey matter! :wink:
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Postby Cap » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:23 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
stpier wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote: Turkey vehemently denies any genocidal intent. The official line is that most of the Armenians died from hunger and disease, as they were forcibly deported to the deserts of Syria amid the upheaval of the collapsing empire.


It's irrelevant what spin Turkey wants to put on HOW the Armenians were killed. Hitler might as well defend himself with ... "I only killed 3 million Jews as the other 3 million died from hunger and disease whilst they were waiting in the concentration camps to be gassed". :roll:

[It's time Turkey woke up to the fact that, until they stop occupying Cyprus or denying their crimes against humanity, they will never host the Olympics nor join the European race ...]


How white is this European race? Because I am whiter than this Afro-asian tribe located south of TRNC. I don't think the Finnish race has anything to do with these gypsy looking dark skinned people.


Well, my little racist, it has nothing to do with skin colour but everything to do with grey matter! :wink:


Exactly, she still sleeps in the fetal position wishing her ancestors never converted to Islam.
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Postby stpier » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:35 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
stpier wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote: Turkey vehemently denies any genocidal intent. The official line is that most of the Armenians died from hunger and disease, as they were forcibly deported to the deserts of Syria amid the upheaval of the collapsing empire.


It's irrelevant what spin Turkey wants to put on HOW the Armenians were killed. Hitler might as well defend himself with ... "I only killed 3 million Jews as the other 3 million died from hunger and disease whilst they were waiting in the concentration camps to be gassed". :roll:

[It's time Turkey woke up to the fact that, until they stop occupying Cyprus or denying their crimes against humanity, they will never host the Olympics nor join the European race ...]


How white is this European race? Because I am whiter than this Afro-asian tribe located south of TRNC. I don't think the Finnish race has anything to do with these gypsy looking dark skinned people.


Well, my little racist, it has nothing to do with skin colour but everything to do with grey matter! :wink:


Nice to hear that you accept being darker than Turks, a race much closer to Fins than you!
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Postby kurupetos » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:12 pm

stpier wrote:Nice to hear that you accept being darker than Turks, a race much closer to Fins than you!

Fins? Fish fins? :?

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Re: Kurds in Turkey Seek Forgiveness For 1915 Armenian Trage

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:29 pm

stpier wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
stpier wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote: Turkey vehemently denies any genocidal intent. The official line is that most of the Armenians died from hunger and disease, as they were forcibly deported to the deserts of Syria amid the upheaval of the collapsing empire.


It's irrelevant what spin Turkey wants to put on HOW the Armenians were killed. Hitler might as well defend himself with ... "I only killed 3 million Jews as the other 3 million died from hunger and disease whilst they were waiting in the concentration camps to be gassed". :roll:

[It's time Turkey woke up to the fact that, until they stop occupying Cyprus or denying their crimes against humanity, they will never host the Olympics nor join the European race ...]


How white is this European race? Because I am whiter than this Afro-asian tribe located south of TRNC. I don't think the Finnish race has anything to do with these gypsy looking dark skinned people.


Well, my little racist, it has nothing to do with skin colour but everything to do with grey matter! :wink:


Nice to hear that you accept being darker than Turks, a race much closer to Fins than you!


What are you talking about, racist?
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Re: Kurds in Turkey Seek Forgiveness For 1915 Armenian Trage

Postby stpier » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:34 pm

Let's read what a Scottish lady says on this issue :D

Why are most greek cypriot girls dying their hair natural ginger or blonde?
im not a troll!
I live in north london southgate, im full scottish. I have naturally ginger orange hair, green eyes, freckles and fair skin, most guys compliment me(not big headed)

Anyway I have noticed that most greek cypriot girls dying their hair to a natural shade of ginger or trying to bleach their dark hair blonde but it never looks like a blonde it always goes yellow :-S

Again im not a troll as I have greek cypriot girl friends and I don't understand why they don't embrace their dark hair, olive skin and beautiful dark brown eyes! Most greek cypriot girls have such a lovely kim kardashian look and I don't know why they want to change it.

I have noticed some fair greek cypriot girls dying it ginger orange but it never looks natural as natural red heads have a certain white skin tone, plus fair greek girls always have a fair olive not british white tone
Or the greek girls eyebrows never match the hair colour and worse....I have seen some greek women dye their eyebrows and it looks awful!
Some wear contact lenses too.
Why do greek cypriot women/girls do this? Why don't they embrace what they have naturally?

Because like this Afro-asian dark lady,they want to belive they belong to your race.
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