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[Get Real!]

FFS...!!!

If by what "g"IG called "territorial waters" and is now calling plain "waters" she means Territorial Waters, as per the UNCLOS definition, CY and GR "waters" can never be conjoined...

However, the Greek and CY EEZs are conjoined by virtue of the Kastellorizo factor ...and through its national legislation (but so far nowhere else) Greece has declared to the World, including Turkey, an UNCLOS-max claim to a normal EEZ including the Kastellorizo effect. ...

... the bit that's missing is to take the bleeding piece of paper containing the few dozen co-ordinates of the mid-points of the Greek EEZ and which has been gathering dust in an office in Athens for years and frigging well send it to the UNCLOS Registry... and at the same time to extend Greek Territorial Waters to 12 nm.

Have I ever mentioned that I often have difficulty understanding what you’re on about?

It’s that combination of British slang with beating around the bush too much as well as the addition of quotes, underlines, and editor boo-boos that results in something really bizarre.

[supporttheunderdog]

that is a point I have made elsewhere: even if Cyprus and Greece were one nations they would still only have the same waters under their control as territorial waters and the EEZ as thy each do seperately and our neighbors would have exactly the same waters as they can lawfully claim (ie as defined by UNCLOS) now,

For the avoidance of doubt I do NOT recognise Turkey's current claims as lawfull!!

[bill cobbett]

FFS...!!!

If by what "g"IG called "territorial waters" and is now calling plain "waters" she means Territorial Waters, as per the UNCLOS definition, CY and GR "waters" can never be conjoined...

However, the Greek and CY EEZs are conjoined by virtue of the Kastellorizo factor ...and through its national legislation (but so far nowhere else) Greece has declared to the World, including Turkey, an UNCLOS-max claim to a normal EEZ including the Kastellorizo effect. ...

... the bit that's missing is to take the bleeding piece of paper containing the few dozen co-ordinates of the mid-points of the Greek EEZ and which has been gathering dust in an office in Athens for years and frigging well send it to the UNCLOS Registry... and at the same time to extend Greek Territorial Waters to 12 nm.

Have I ever mentioned that I often have difficulty understanding what you’re on about?

It’s that combination of British slang with beating around the bush too much as well as the addition of quotes, underlines, and editor boo-boos that results in something really bizarre.

WTF...!!!

BillC writes for a huge world audience, which hangs on to his every word and not for the red-necked reactionary delinquents of the Tseri back-waters.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Some people really would do well to look up the provisions of UNCLOS on the laying of such things as pipe-lines, submarine cables etc through an EEZ ... and if they did they would discover that third parties can lay pipe-lines through the CY EEZ (that's outside the 12nm territorial sea zone) without permission from CY.

Actually, you are a little bit wrong about this. Third parties cannot install pipe-lines in someone else's EEZ ...

Within its EEZ, a coastal State has: (a) sovereign rights for the purpose of exploring, exploiting, conserving and managing natural resources, whether living or nonliving, of the seabed and subsoil and the superjacent waters and with regard to other activities for the economic exploitation and exploration of the zone, such as the production of energy from the water, currents and winds; (b) jurisdiction as provided for in international law with regard to the establishment and use of artificial islands, installations, and structures, marine scientific research, and the protection and preservation of the marine environment, and (c) other rights and duties provided for under international law.

http://www.gc.noaa.gov/gcil_maritime.html

[Get Real!]

FFS...!!!

If by what "g"IG called "territorial waters" and is now calling plain "waters" she means Territorial Waters, as per the UNCLOS definition, CY and GR "waters" can never be conjoined...

However, the Greek and CY EEZs are conjoined by virtue of the Kastellorizo factor ...and through its national legislation (but so far nowhere else) Greece has declared to the World, including Turkey, an UNCLOS-max claim to a normal EEZ including the Kastellorizo effect. ...

... the bit that's missing is to take the bleeding piece of paper containing the few dozen co-ordinates of the mid-points of the Greek EEZ and which has been gathering dust in an office in Athens for years and frigging well send it to the UNCLOS Registry... and at the same time to extend Greek Territorial Waters to 12 nm.

Have I ever mentioned that I often have difficulty understanding what you’re on about?

It’s that combination of British slang with beating around the bush too much as well as the addition of quotes, underlines, and editor boo-boos that results in something really bizarre.

WTF...!!!

BillC writes for a huge world audience, which hangs on to his every word and not for the red-necked reactionary delinquents of the Tseri back-waters.

Sorry mate you don’t!

Oracle gets 1st prize for clarity of content (as much as I usually hate most of that content ) so you have a lot to learn from her in that department.

[bill cobbett]

Some people really would do well to look up the provisions of UNCLOS on the laying of such things as pipe-lines, submarine cables etc through an EEZ ... and if they did they would discover that third parties can lay pipe-lines through the CY EEZ (that's outside the 12nm territorial sea zone) without permission from CY.

Actually, you are a little bit wrong about this. Third parties cannot install pipe-lines in someone else's EEZ ...

Within its EEZ, a coastal State has: (a) sovereign rights for the purpose of exploring, exploiting, conserving and managing natural resources, whether living or nonliving, of the seabed and subsoil and the superjacent waters and with regard to other activities for the economic exploitation and exploration of the zone, such as the production of energy from the water, currents and winds; (b) jurisdiction as provided for in international law with regard to the establishment and use of artificial islands, installations, and structures, marine scientific research, and the protection and preservation of the marine environment, and (c) other rights and duties provided for under international law.

http://www.gc.noaa.gov/gcil_maritime.html

FFS...!!! Look up Article 58 of the Convention...

Article58

Rights and duties of other States in the exclusive economic zone

1. In the exclusive economic zone, all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy, subject to the relevant provisions of this Convention, the freedoms referred to in article 87 of navigation and overflight and of the laying of submarine cables and pipelines, and other internationally lawful uses of the sea related to these freedoms, such as those associated with the operation of ships, aircraft and submarine cables and pipelines, and compatible with the other provisions of this Convention.

[bill cobbett]

FFS...!!!

If by what "g"IG called "territorial waters" and is now calling plain "waters" she means Territorial Waters, as per the UNCLOS definition, CY and GR "waters" can never be conjoined...

However, the Greek and CY EEZs are conjoined by virtue of the Kastellorizo factor ...and through its national legislation (but so far nowhere else) Greece has declared to the World, including Turkey, an UNCLOS-max claim to a normal EEZ including the Kastellorizo effect. ...

... the bit that's missing is to take the bleeding piece of paper containing the few dozen co-ordinates of the mid-points of the Greek EEZ and which has been gathering dust in an office in Athens for years and frigging well send it to the UNCLOS Registry... and at the same time to extend Greek Territorial Waters to 12 nm.

Have I ever mentioned that I often have difficulty understanding what you’re on about?

It’s that combination of British slang with beating around the bush too much as well as the addition of quotes, underlines, and editor boo-boos that results in something really bizarre.

WTF...!!!

BillC writes for a huge world audience, which hangs on to his every word and not for the red-necked reactionary delinquents of the Tseri back-waters.

Sorry mate you don’t!

Oracle gets 1st prize for clarity of content (as much as I usually hate most of that content ) so you have a lot to learn from her in that department.

"clarity of content"...!!! Our "g"IG ...!!! Pollocks...!!! RW's posts are easier to understand...!!!

[GreekIslandGirl]

Some people really would do well to look up the provisions of UNCLOS on the laying of such things as pipe-lines, submarine cables etc through an EEZ ... and if they did they would discover that third parties can lay pipe-lines through the CY EEZ (that's outside the 12nm territorial sea zone) without permission from CY.

Actually, you are a little bit wrong about this. Third parties cannot install pipe-lines in someone else's EEZ ...

Within its EEZ, a coastal State has: (a) sovereign rights for the purpose of exploring, exploiting, conserving and managing natural resources, whether living or nonliving, of the seabed and subsoil and the superjacent waters and with regard to other activities for the economic exploitation and exploration of the zone, such as the production of energy from the water, currents and winds; (b) jurisdiction as provided for in international law with regard to the establishment and use of artificial islands, installations, and structures, marine scientific research, and the protection and preservation of the marine environment, and (c) other rights and duties provided for under international law.

http://www.gc.noaa.gov/gcil_maritime.html

FFS...!!! Look up Article 58 of the Convention...

Article58

Rights and duties of other States in the exclusive economic zone

1. In the exclusive economic zone, all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy, subject to the relevant provisions of this Convention, the freedoms referred to in article 87 of navigation and overflight and of the laying of submarine cables and pipelines, and other internationally lawful uses of the sea related to these freedoms, such as those associated with the operation of ships, aircraft and submarine cables and pipelines, and compatible with the other provisions of this Convention.

Yes, but then you have to look at article 87 ....

So, for example, the high seas freedom of fishing, the
freedom to construct artificial islands and other installations and the freedom to conduct
MSR, are all subject to coastal state control in the EEZ.

[supporttheunderdog]

article 87 is a part of Part VII and does not apply to EEZ

PART VII

HIGH SEAS


SECTION 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS


Article86

Application of the provisions of this Part

The provisions of this Part apply to all parts of the sea that are not included in the exclusive economic zone, in the territorial sea or in the internal waters of a State, or in the archipelagic waters of an archipelagic State. This article does not entail any abridgement of the freedoms enjoyed by all States in the exclusive economic zone in accordance with article 58.


Article87

Freedom of the high seas

1. The high seas are open to all States, whether coastal or land-locked. Freedom of the high seas is exercised under the conditions laid down by this Convention and by other rules of international law. It comprises, inter alia, both for coastal and land-locked States:

[Paphitis]

However, the Greek and CY EEZs are conjoined by virtue of the Kastellorizo factor ...and through its national legislation (but so far nowhere else) Greece has declared to the World, including Turkey, an UNCLOS-max claim to a normal EEZ including the Kastellorizo effect. ...

... the bit that's missing is to take the bleeding piece of paper containing the few dozen co-ordinates of the mid-points of the Greek EEZ and which has been gathering dust in an office in Athens for years and frigging well send it to the UNCLOS Registry... and at the same time to extend Greek Territorial Waters to 12 nm.

No state has any form of sovereignty over their EEZ. They are not Territorial Seas.

States only have exclusive economic rights to their EEZ, meaning they can exploit National Resources and Fisheries and are responsible for things such as SAR.

Greece still must actually claim its EEZ which it has not done. Because of that, Turkey is making its own illegal claims between Kastelorizo and Cyprus.