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Re: Is this fact or fiction?

Postby Demonax » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:25 am

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And you seem to think that avoiding the real issues things will progress, well it dont work that way you have to take note of what the other side wants, you have to realize the old days are over where you tried to impose your will upon us by taking away our rights.


And you seem to think that avoiding the real issues things will progress, well it don’t work that way you have to take note of what the other side wants, you have to realize the old days are over where you tried to impose your will upon us by taking away our rights.


Thank you for proving my point 100%.


Thank you for proving my point 100%.
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Re: Is this fact or fiction?

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:02 am

You have no answers to my questions thats why you are playing this childish game repeating what I post. Feel free to show your stupidity and post the exact same as this post.
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Re: Is this fact or fiction?

Postby Demonax » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:26 am

Viewpoint wrote:You have no answers to my questions thats why you are playing this childish game repeating what I post. Feel free to show your stupidity and post the exact same as this post.


You have no answers to my questions thats why you are playing this childish game replying to everything I post. Feel free to show your stupidity and reply to this post.
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Re: Is this fact or fiction?

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:26 am

MR-from-NG wrote:"Cyprus is the common home of the Greek Cypriot community and of the Turkish Cypriot community. Their relationship is not one of majority and minority but one of two communities in the State of Cyprus. The mandate given to me by the Security Council makes it clear that my mission of good offices is with these two communities. My mandate is also explicit that the participation of the two communities in this process is on an equal footing. The solution that is being sought is thus one that must be decided upon by, and, must be acceptable to both communities. It must also respect the cultural, religious, social and linguistic identity of each community."


So if we go back to the start of this thread we see that equality of the two communities is paramount, yes we still have the GCs who dispute that TCs are their equals and their place should be a minority amongest GCs in their own country.
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Re: Is this fact or fiction?

Postby Demonax » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:59 am

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So if we go back to the start of this thread we see that equality of the two communities is paramount, yes we still have the GCs who dispute that TCs are their equals and their place should be a minority amongest GCs in their own country.


Let us follow Turkey's example and give the TCs the same rights in Cyprus as the Turkish state accords its own Kurdish minority.

If Turkey is not interested in a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation with political equality between its own two constituent states, including a “Kurdish Republic of Eastern Turkey” within its own borders, why should we accept such a 'solution' in Cyprus?
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Re: Is this fact or fiction?

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:03 pm

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So if we go back to the start of this thread we see that equality of the two communities is paramount, yes we still have the GCs who dispute that TCs are their equals and their place should be a minority amongest GCs in their own country.


Let us follow Turkey's example and give the TCs the same rights in Cyprus as the Turkish state accords its own Kurdish minority.

If Turkey is not interested in a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation with political equality between its own two constituent states, including a “Kurdish Republic of Eastern Turkey” within its own borders, why should we accept such a 'solution' in Cyprus?


Why stop there and not go one step further and give the Kurdish people their own state, would you support the same for the TCs?
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Re: Is this fact or fiction?

Postby B25 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:08 pm

Here we are again, back to the same old rubbish. let me just remind VP and any one else looking in, The Kurds did not invade and take by occupation their land. It was there before Turkey was even formed. Unlike the TCs and the the Anatolian gypsies in Cyprus where you have what you have by invasion and stealing.

Hardly the same is it?
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Re: Is this fact or fiction?

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:22 pm

B25 wrote:Here we are again, back to the same old rubbish. let me just remind VP and any one else looking in, The Kurds did not invade and take by occupation their land. It was there before Turkey was even formed. Unlike the TCs and the the Anatolian gypsies in Cyprus where you have what you have by invasion and stealing.

Hardly the same is it?


If you can see that the chain of events gives them certain rights to form their own country which I support, then lets read what you have to say about TCs rights according to international agreements.
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Re: Is this fact or fiction?

Postby Get Real! » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:30 pm

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B25 wrote:Here we are again, back to the same old rubbish. let me just remind VP and any one else looking in, The Kurds did not invade and take by occupation their land. It was there before Turkey was even formed. Unlike the TCs and the the Anatolian gypsies in Cyprus where you have what you have by invasion and stealing.

Hardly the same is it?


If you can see that the chain of events gives them certain rights to form their own country which I support, then lets read what you have to say about TCs rights according to international agreements.

There's no comparison between a genuine distinct people like the Kurds who span across 5 different countries, and a handful of leftovers from an Ottoman invasion of Cyprus!

Let’s face it, if justice were to be served/applied you would simply get shipped back to Turkey where you came from, but where would you ship Kurds to? That IS their territory going back millenniums.
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Re: Is this fact or fiction?

Postby Demonax » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:37 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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So if we go back to the start of this thread we see that equality of the two communities is paramount, yes we still have the GCs who dispute that TCs are their equals and their place should be a minority amongest GCs in their own country.


Let us follow Turkey's example and give the TCs the same rights in Cyprus as the Turkish state accords its own Kurdish minority.

If Turkey is not interested in a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation with political equality between its own two constituent states, including a “Kurdish Republic of Eastern Turkey” within its own borders, why should we accept such a 'solution' in Cyprus?


Why stop there and not go one step further and give the Kurdish people their own state, would you support the same for the TCs?


Yes. If Turkey wants to give the TCs some of its territory to form a 'state' then of course we will support such a move. But the TCs cannot set up a 'state' on land which is the sovereign territory of the Republic of Cyprus. Such a 'state' is illegal and would never be recognised.

Would you support a move by Turkey to create a separate state for Turkish Cypriots in Turkey?
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