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[Viewpoint]

Hello you forget the thundering veto rights we have, please dont go off in the its not fair tantrum, its our right and we will not give it away freely, look GR we will never accept minority rights and you will not accept us having a separate country from yours so the middle ground is a BBF with a political balance that will allow us an equal say in the state of affairs of the country as a whole when and whre it is necessary or poses any risk to either north or south, why are you hell bent on forcing us into minority status in our own country?

It sounds like you’re looking for Turkish-Cypriotism as an official political force influencing in Cyprus and we of course cannot ever accept that again as it would lead to a déjà vu of the past.

Of course, we cannot have Greek-Cypriotism either as an official political force because that would be going the other extreme way and lead to the same catastrophic results.

So given that I cannot see plain Cypriotism taking shape for now, I have to conclude that the status quo is the most likely outcome in the near future until further geopolitical developments lead otherwise.

And btw, in case you’re still wondering I honestly don’t ever see the RoC agreeing to any form of “shared” governance with anybody.


I can write pages of reasons against agreeing to anything but the best for me is the simple:

They don’t have to!

So there we have it " honestly don’t ever see the RoC agreeing to any form of “shared” governance with anybody" "They don’t have to" in a nutshell the GCs do not want to share, so how on earth can we agree a BBF with political equality? now do we all understand why the GCs are intransigent because they dont have to agree to anything they have what they want and dont have to share it.

[DrCyprus]

So there we have it " honestly don’t ever see the RoC agreeing to any form of “shared” governance with anybody" "They don’t have to" in a nutshell the GCs do not want to share, so how on earth can we agree a BBF with political equality? now do we all understand why the GCs are intransigent because they dont have to agree to anything they have what they want and dont have to share it.

I don't think that 18% of the population having 50% of the power is called 'political equality'. At best this is called absolute inequality. You should check your maths.

[Lordo]

if you boys could be trusted to behave there would not be a need for 50 50 power share. we dont have to have it, we can revert to the veto which has the same effect. till you prove that you can be trusted beyond any doubt thats the way it will be. the sooner you start proving it the quicker it will come. in the mean time bbf and either 50 50 or veto is the only possible choice. percentage has nothing to do with it when it comes to founding nations.

kapish.

[Get Real!]

They don’t have to and there’s no incentive for them to do so either.

[Viewpoint]

They don’t have to and there’s no incentive for them to do so either.

Thank you for telling us the truth, I have stated all along the GCs have what they want and there is absolutely no incentive form them to share all they have to do is trick the refugees into thinking that one day they will all go home and everything will be as it was before.

[Demonax]

So there we have it " honestly don’t ever see the RoC agreeing to any form of “shared” governance with anybody" "They don’t have to" in a nutshell the GCs do not want to share, so how on earth can we agree a BBF with political equality? now do we all understand why the GCs are intransigent because they dont have to agree to anything they have what they want and dont have to share it.

I don't think that 18% of the population having 50% of the power is called 'political equality'. At best this is called absolute inequality. You should check your maths.

I don’t think maths is their strongpoint. In the world of the TCs they are taught that 2+2 always equals 5.

[repulsewarrior]

They don’t have to and there’s no incentive for them to do so either.

Thank you for telling us the truth, I have stated all along the GCs have what they want and there is absolutely no incentive form them to share all they have to do is trick the refugees into thinking that one day they will all go home and everything will be as it was before.

...so, what you are saying is about one-third of the Greek Population, is being duped by the so called GC, because "they" got what they want; any Turkish Cypriot can say the same (and moreso) of the "Turks" (and the Turks).

what's your point?

[Viewpoint]

They don’t have to and there’s no incentive for them to do so either.

Thank you for telling us the truth, I have stated all along the GCs have what they want and there is absolutely no incentive form them to share all they have to do is trick the refugees into thinking that one day they will all go home and everything will be as it was before.

...so, what you are saying is about one-third of the Greek Population, is being duped by the so called GC, because "they" got what they want; any Turkish Cypriot can say the same (and moreso) of the "Turks" (and the Turks).

what's your point?

You have been duped, the GCs have rejected every solution put before them, they dont need it, they dont want to share anything, they have recognition and sole control over the "RoC" why share? not for the sake of the refugees anyway....this is not an incentive.....all they have to do is be seen to want a solution go through the motions yani with really wanting to share recognition...now are you up to speed repulse?

[Kikapu]

They don’t have to and there’s no incentive for them to do so either.

Thank you for telling us the truth, I have stated all along the GCs have what they want and there is absolutely no incentive form them to share all they have to do is trick the refugees into thinking that one day they will all go home and everything will be as it was before.

That's why the TCs should insist on True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles to protect their rights, and if the north state would be reduced by 50%, then there isn't very much the GCs can do politically in the north state, because the TCs with their numbers would be able to control the north state as well as control the upper house, which would equal to 50%, hence the term "political equality" will come into play. If the TCs did this, then the GCs cannot refuse it and not get punished for it, but when the TCs ask for an apartheid kind of system like the AP, then no one will blame the GCs for not accepting it.

But of course, the partitionist do not want True Federation, because it will end their dream to have a sovereign state in Cyprus that can be run by Turkey just for Turks. They want the opposite to happen like the Annan Plan, to make their partition dream come true. Even after the demise of the AP, the partitionists are still crying in their beds every night by coming so close to their dream in 2004, and now it's gone forever.

[Lordo]

They don’t have to and there’s no incentive for them to do so either.

Thank you for telling us the truth, I have stated all along the GCs have what they want and there is absolutely no incentive form them to share all they have to do is trick the refugees into thinking that one day they will all go home and everything will be as it was before.

That's why the TCs should insist on True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles to protect their rights, and if the north state would be reduced by 50%, then there isn't very much the GCs can do politically in the north state, because the TCs with their numbers would be able to control the north state as well as control the upper house, which would equal to 50%, hence the term "political equality" will come into play. If the TCs did this, then the GCs cannot refuse it and not get punished for it, but when the TCs ask for an apartheid kind of system like the AP, then no one will blame the GCs for not accepting it.

But of course, the partitionist do not want True Federation, because it will end their dream to have a sovereign state in Cyprus that can be run by Turkey just for Turks. They want the opposite to happen like the Annan Plan, to make their partition dream come true. Even after the demise of the AP, the partitionists are still crying in their beds every night by coming so close to their dream in 2004, and now it's gone forever.

as there is no one best federation talking about true federation is crap and you know it. it is bbf or separation. take it or leave sonny.