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[Viewpoint]

Here we are again, back to the same old rubbish. let me just remind VP and any one else looking in, The Kurds did not invade and take by occupation their land. It was there before Turkey was even formed. Unlike the TCs and the the Anatolian gypsies in Cyprus where you have what you have by invasion and stealing.

Hardly the same is it?

If you can see that the chain of events gives them certain rights to form their own country which I support, then lets read what you have to say about TCs rights according to international agreements.

There's no comparison between a genuine distinct people like the Kurds who span across 5 different countries, and a handful of leftovers from an Ottoman invasion of Cyprus!

Let’s face it, if justice were to be served/applied you would simply get shipped back to Turkey where you came from, but where would you ship Kurds to? That IS their territory going back millenniums.

Does the amoutn of time you spend on a certain area of the earth determine whether you deserve your own country many countries were fromed through wars and land grab, so you theory does not really hold water, I think any people that want to form their own country within reason like the Kurds should be given that opportunity, so according to your theory all we have to do is hold on for another 4000 years, GR we have rights why dont you want to respect them? just allow us to live in peace and administer our own lives without fear of dominaiton or persecution....a BBF with political equality is the only way forward, otherwise we have another 3.961 years to go

[Get Real!]

Here we are again, back to the same old rubbish. let me just remind VP and any one else looking in, The Kurds did not invade and take by occupation their land. It was there before Turkey was even formed. Unlike the TCs and the the Anatolian gypsies in Cyprus where you have what you have by invasion and stealing.

Hardly the same is it?

If you can see that the chain of events gives them certain rights to form their own country which I support, then lets read what you have to say about TCs rights according to international agreements.

There's no comparison between a genuine distinct people like the Kurds who span across 5 different countries, and a handful of leftovers from an Ottoman invasion of Cyprus!

Let’s face it, if justice were to be served/applied you would simply get shipped back to Turkey where you came from, but where would you ship Kurds to? That IS their territory going back millenniums.

Does the amoutn of time you spend on a certain area of the earth determine whether you deserve your own country many countries were fromed through wars and land grab, so you theory does not really hold water, I think any people that want to form their own country within reason like the Kurds should be given that opportunity, so according to your theory all we have to do is hold on for another 4000 years, GR we have rights why dont you want to respect them? just allow us to live in peace and administer our own lives without fear of dominaiton or persecution....a BBF with political equality is the only way forward, otherwise we have another 3.961 years to go

You’re forever confusing this…

1. “The right to self-determination of peoples” <- Which you are NOT.

http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/0/f3c9 ... endocument


With this…

2. "Declaration on the Rights of Persons Belonging to National or Ethnic, Religious and Linguistic Minorities” <- Which is what you are.

http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/47/a47r135.htm


NB: You are not a “people” but an ethnic minority of an existing people who already have their state they call "Turkey".

Do you see the fundamental difference here? You’re trying to pass your self off as a distinct people who are entitled to a state but you are NOT distinct because you belong to Turkey and thus already have a state!

[Viewpoint]

Here we are again, back to the same old rubbish. let me just remind VP and any one else looking in, The Kurds did not invade and take by occupation their land. It was there before Turkey was even formed. Unlike the TCs and the the Anatolian gypsies in Cyprus where you have what you have by invasion and stealing.

Hardly the same is it?

If you can see that the chain of events gives them certain rights to form their own country which I support, then lets read what you have to say about TCs rights according to international agreements.

There's no comparison between a genuine distinct people like the Kurds who span across 5 different countries, and a handful of leftovers from an Ottoman invasion of Cyprus!

Let’s face it, if justice were to be served/applied you would simply get shipped back to Turkey where you came from, but where would you ship Kurds to? That IS their territory going back millenniums.

Does the amoutn of time you spend on a certain area of the earth determine whether you deserve your own country many countries were fromed through wars and land grab, so you theory does not really hold water, I think any people that want to form their own country within reason like the Kurds should be given that opportunity, so according to your theory all we have to do is hold on for another 4000 years, GR we have rights why dont you want to respect them? just allow us to live in peace and administer our own lives without fear of dominaiton or persecution....a BBF with political equality is the only way forward, otherwise we have another 3.961 years to go

You’re forever confusing this…

1. “The right to self-determination of peoples” <- Which you are NOT.

http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/0/f3c9 ... endocument


With this…

2. "Declaration on the Rights of Persons Belonging to National or Ethnic, Religious and Linguistic Minorities” <- Which is what you are.

http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/47/a47r135.htm


NB: You are not a “people” but an ethnic minority of an existing people who already have their state they call "Turkey".

So when do minorities become peoples? where in the internationally signed agreements on Cyprus does it state that we the TCs are a minority in our own country?

[Get Real!]

So when do minorities become peoples?

I don't know if such an upgrade exists because it is ethnic, historical, and culturally based.

Do you see the fundamental difference here?

You’re trying to pass your self off as a distinct people who are entitled to a state when you are NOT distinct because you belong to Turkey (former Ottoman territory) and thus already have a state!

where in the internationally signed agreements on Cyprus does it state that we the TCs are a minority in our own country?

Once again, in the 1959 agreements the fact that you were only given 30% of the House of Reps is an indication of a minority status due to having a minority number of people here.

[Viewpoint]

So when do minorities become peoples?

I don't know if such an upgrade exists because it is ethnic, historical, and culturally based.

Do you see the fundamental difference here?

You’re trying to pass your self off as a distinct people who are entitled to a state when you are NOT distinct because you belong to Turkey (former Ottoman territory) and thus already have a state!

where in the internationally signed agreements on Cyprus does it state that we the TCs are a minority in our own country?

Once again, in the 1959 agreements the fact that you were only given 30% of the House of Reps is an indication of a minority status due to having a minority number of people here.

Hello you forget the thundering veto rights we have, please dont go off in the its not fair tantrum, its our right and we will not give it away freely, look GR we will never accept minority rights and you will not accept us having a separate country from yours so the middle ground is a BBF with a political balance that will allow us an equal say in the state of affairs of the country as a whole when and whre it is necessary or poses any risk to either north or south, why are you hell bent on forcing us into minority status in our own country?

[Demonax]

Hello you forget the thundering veto rights we have...

You lost your veto rights a long time ago. Please tell us what RoC legislation you’ve vetoed recently? The right of the Republic to join the EU? The right to demarcate its EEZ? The right to sign agreements with energy companies? The right to sign strategic co-operation deals?

Please tell us what veto rights the TCs currently have over the RoC? And what makes you think the Republic is willing to allow a minority of its population to exercise veto rights in future?

[Viewpoint]

Hello you forget the thundering veto rights we have...

You lost your veto rights a long time ago. Please tell us what RoC legislation you’ve vetoed recently? The right of the Republic to join the EU? The right to demarcate its EEZ? The right to sign agreements with energy companies? The right to sign strategic co-operation deals?

Please tell us what veto rights the TCs currently have over the RoC? And what makes you think the Republic is willing to allow a minority of its population to exercise veto rights in future?

You stole those in 1963 doesnt mean they have disappeared.....read your own constitution.

[Demonax]

Hello you forget the thundering veto rights we have...

You lost your veto rights a long time ago. Please tell us what RoC legislation you’ve vetoed recently? The right of the Republic to join the EU? The right to demarcate its EEZ? The right to sign agreements with energy companies? The right to sign strategic co-operation deals?

Please tell us what veto rights the TCs currently have over the RoC? And what makes you think the Republic is willing to allow a minority of its population to exercise veto rights in future?

You stole those in 1963 doesnt mean they have disappeared.....read your own constitution.

Is that what you want back? The right to veto RoC legislation? Even if the majority of the population want it?

[repulsewarrior]

You stole those in 1963 doesnt mean they have disappeared.....read your own constitution.

...i ask, why not demand that "Greeks" send representatives to the Communal Chamber, therefore.

do you really know what you are talking about, vp, or, are you willing to read for yourself what is plain language?

...say, "i love Cyprus", "for Cyprus, i want Freedom". say, "i am no "Turk", but Turkish", and, "i want The Liberty to live as a Turkish Cypriot, where other Constituencies as Persons are equals, having the same ability to sustain their distinct identity."

...say, "this must stop" (the hatred). "i am no better, or no worse, just an equal, as a Human being", "and as a Person i respect the fact that amongst my kind, some must change, some should face a Judge as Criminals, and all of us must overcome the fear that they engender."

...say, "i love my life". say, "i want to make the world a better place because i am grateful for it, i am loving, if i hate it is against real enemies, like the Ignorance that divides us against each other, i choose to act accordingly because i can."

i ask again, say clearly, if anyone can live in your so called country, why not people who are Greek? and if in your Constituency electors chose to live as Turkish Cypriots what is wrong with that? and two hundred years from now, what will be the demographics that Cypriots must embrace, or be overwhelmed? dude, it is a fact that your regime has failed you, if you are Turkish Cypriot, you are no better off as a Cypriot, (because of recent events, it is also a fact that the Government has failed the Republic), under this form of subjugation reduced to living in squalor.

...it is a fact (that after fifty years), Turkey has failed you, (like Greece, their efforts are a betrayal, (not just to Cypriots), corrupted by some elite), plunderers who ignore their responsibilities to the rest of Mankind, for ("Greekness", or) "Turkishness". i suggest you get off the high horse you ride on, it is good sometimes to walk on your feet. say, "Cyprus is an island, and it deserves my respect", "Cypriots are a People, they deserve this Freedom", "my Liberty is secured in Unity as a Cypriot, an Individual without distinction or discrimination, a Citizen where we are all equals, and, being a BBF, with the other Cypriot Constituencies i can sustain the vitality of my own distinctions, as a Person through self-representation."

...you cannot reasonably ask to be an equal to the Republic. as a Constituency, why not a Greek Constituency, an equal to other Constituencies, within a State?

[Get Real!]

Hello you forget the thundering veto rights we have, please dont go off in the its not fair tantrum, its our right and we will not give it away freely, look GR we will never accept minority rights and you will not accept us having a separate country from yours so the middle ground is a BBF with a political balance that will allow us an equal say in the state of affairs of the country as a whole when and whre it is necessary or poses any risk to either north or south, why are you hell bent on forcing us into minority status in our own country?

It sounds like you’re looking for Turkish-Cypriotism as an official political force influencing in Cyprus and we of course cannot ever accept that again as it would lead to a déjà vu of the past.

Of course, we cannot have Greek-Cypriotism either as an official political force because that would be going the other extreme way and lead to the same catastrophic results.

So given that I cannot see plain Cypriotism taking shape for now, I have to conclude that the status quo is the most likely outcome in the near future until further geopolitical developments lead otherwise.

And btw, in case you’re still wondering I honestly don’t ever see the RoC agreeing to any form of “shared” governance with anybody.


I can write pages of reasons against agreeing to anything but the best for me is the simple:

They don’t have to!