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[Schnauzer]

Generally accepted to be (or used as an expression to describe) the 'Best' position to be in when observing an event since it affords an opportunity to see things 'Close Up' BUT, in the case of the recent events leading up to the intended attack on 'President Assad', I fear that the advantage of our seat will be wasted on account of the 'Political Doubletalk' surrounding the proposed event which happily did NOT take place due to David Cameron's misjudgement of his position.

He obviously assumed (due to President Obama's bluster) that all he had to do was 'Strike the Match' which would 'Light the fuse' which would unleash yet another fury upon an already besieged nation, such action would grant him the title of 'Wartime Prime Minister' and equal the recognition bestowed upon 'The grinning Snake' Tony Blair............. hard luck David, not just yet mate.

SO, how to extricate oneself from such an embarrassment when the audience of the entire world occupies 'Ringside seats' to his folly ?.

It's a tricky one and you may be sure that the phone lines were buzzing between the two 'Heroes' of the hour who were now (due to the censorship of the British Parliament') wriggling like fish on a line BUT, once again, true to form, a 'Political Light' was engineered that would save face AND at the same time, ensure that the 'Ringsiders' would be suitably blinded by the obvious blunders of both leaders.

Obama HAD stated that it was his intention to unleash fury upon Assad, Cameron HAD backed his intentions and the weapons were all placed at the disposal of both nations on and around poor old Cyprus (likely to receive any backlash) BUT, it is now announced that any such 'Measured Fury' will be not be taking place until AFTER the 'American Congress' approves of such actions AND subject to the proof of Assad's responsibility for the gassing of civilians.

Such a clever ploy to save face, worthy of 'Fernando the Fox' ("Says I" to be the craftiest bastard ever to walk the face of the earth !) and designed to lull the senses of we 'Ringsiders' who will probably NOT ask the question, WHY would both nations be so ready to make yet ANOTHER murderous assault upon a nation WITHOUT first obtaining conclusive evidence that would justify it.

We have seen it all so many times before, perhaps a 'Peripatetic View' might be superior to a 'Ringside View' when dealing with the likes of Cameron and Obama, although I personally fear that there are so many who will be blinded by the 'Hypocrisy' of the recent events, they will still uphold the same blinkered views as have ever been their source of information, quite sad really. (IMHO).

[GreekIslandGirl]

Nice summary, Schnauzer.

Perhaps Cameron and Obama have spent too long in the company of Erdogan? Three Foolish Leaders. Thank god democracy has, so far, "fixed" two of them ...

[Schnauzer]

Nice summary, Schnauzer.

Perhaps Cameron and Obama have spent too long in the company of Erdogan? Three Foolish Leaders. Thank god democracy has, so far, "fixed" two of them ...

Thank you for your appraisal and how sad that the criticism of the leaders of so many nations is so commonplace these latter days.

Sadder perhaps, is the fact that regardless of the incredibly stupid statements AND actions of those criticised, they are seemingly oblivious to the fact that their stupidity (or even purposeful deeds) are almost always responsible for the chaos they are sworn to bring under control once they have attained office !.

A fair analogy would be to imagine a person setting fire to their house and, immediately thereafter, taking up a hosepipe to put the fire out in the vain hope that somebody might dub them a courageous fire-fighter.

Even sadder, the comments of those who doggedly defend the malignancy of exposed leaders and are prepared to insult any that might have different opinions, merely because the newspapers (under the control of vested interests) tell them that 'All is Well' and that 'Things will get Better' very soon providing they, 'The Doggeds', maintain their blinkered perceptions.

[Paphitis]

What a load of bullshit!

A decision for limited military action is never taken lightly and those responsible for the chemical attacks are under the spotlight.

The good thing is, these attacks have ceased for the time being at least. This isan achievement in itself, for which Obama can take credit for!

This is a great forum for putting one to sleep with unsynchronised circadian rhythms! Thanks Schnauzer and O! YAWN!

[Schnauzer]

What a load of bullshit!

A decision for limited military action is never taken lightly and those responsible for the chemical attacks are under the spotlight.

The good thing is, these attacks have ceased for the time being at least. This isan achievement in itself, for which Obama can take credit for!

This is a great forum for putting one to sleep with unsynchronised circadian rhythms! Thanks Schnauzer and O! YAWN!

Limited military action 'MY ARSE', if Obama had been given the green light, there would have been carnage worse than the Gas attack and both himself and Cameron (and others) would be hailing their actions as 'Victories' over yet another 'Mad Dictator'.

Take off the blinkers mate, you surprise me on THIS one.

[supporttheunderdog]

Not that i was a supporter if Saddam Insane, who was a mass murderer, nor for Assad, who is likwise an evil tyrant, but As for what happened in the second Iraq war those two B's in charge, in every sense, were clearly out for personal gratification. Blair and Bush jar should both be charged as war criminals for launching a war of aggression. The argument then too if I remember was one that lacked no foundation in reality about chemical weapons.

Here there are certainly some reports which suggest that the rebels are using them, and at least one which indicates that they had some sort of accident and tried to turn it into an attack by the Government.

I am therefore very glad that the British Parliament voted no for an attack. I do not think that it would have achieved anything of any benefit, certainly not for the people of Syria.

I just wonder if Obama is hoping that if he were to attack Syria that Iran might react, and give him an excuse for some sort of attack there, something that I think is plain crazy and not a prospect that I in any way desire.

While I think some regimes need changing I do not approve at all of regime change through invasion and war.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Not that i was a supporter if Saddam Insane, who was a mass murderer, nor for Assad, who is likwise an evil tyrant,.

You have missed the point!

[supporttheunderdog]

Have I?

The point as fas far as I could discern it was that Obama and Cameron want to emulate those who some who think are war criminals Bush and Blair but have found themselves in a position that is untenable as the support from Cameron that Obama wanted cannot be delivered as the support that Cameron wanted from parliament did not materialise and the both now have egg on the face, which they need to wipe off.

The fact however remains that for all of their many faults Obama and Cameron are subject to some democratic control, all be it in an imperfect system, but Saddam Insane was not and Assad is not, and both have engaged in cruel repression of anything that smelt of opposition, including in the case of Insane, mass murder.

[Paphitis]

What a load of bullshit!

A decision for limited military action is never taken lightly and those responsible for the chemical attacks are under the spotlight.

The good thing is, these attacks have ceased for the time being at least. This isan achievement in itself, for which Obama can take credit for!

This is a great forum for putting one to sleep with unsynchronised circadian rhythms! Thanks Schnauzer and O! YAWN!

Limited military action 'MY ARSE', if Obama had been given the green light, there would have been carnage worse than the Gas attack and both himself and Cameron (and others) would be hailing their actions as 'Victories' over yet another 'Mad Dictator'.

Take off the blinkers mate, you surprise me on THIS one.

You have absolutely no idea!

You are trivializing this very serious matter. The only thing that was on the agenda was a limited military response with Cruise Missiles. The Americans know many things. There are Russian Troops already on the ground. The FSA is supported by the Islamic Brotherhood, Jamaar Islamiya, Hesbolla and Al Qaeda and some other fundamentalist groups. Assad, is the secularist trying to keep things in check.

Don't think for one second that Obama doesn't know this is very messy. A full scale invasion is not a option.

Cameron has done the right thing. He deserves a lot of respect for making a good decision for Britain.

The buildup in Cyprus comprises 6 Typhoon fighters and a C130.

[Schnauzer]

Have I?

The point as fas far as I could discern it was that Obama and Cameron want to emulate those who some who think are war criminals Bush and Blair but have found themselves in a position that is untenable as the support from Cameron that Obama wanted cannot be delivered as the support that Cameron wanted from parliament did not materialise and the both now have egg on the face, which they need to wipe off.

The fact however remains that for all of their many faults Obama and Cameron are subject to some democratic control, all be it in an imperfect system, but Saddam Insane was not and Assad is not, and both have engaged in cruel repression of anything that smelt of opposition, including in the case of Insane, mass murder.

I think the most significant 'Point' that one SHOULD have become aware of in this latest episode, is the fact that regardless of WHO may have been responsible for the awful event in Syria (the gassing) the actions of 'Obama' and 'Cameron' subsequent to it, MUST surely be evidence enough to suggest that "There is more in this than meets the eye".

The very fact that BOTH leaders were in 'Cahoots' (for the benefit of our American friends) when the question of making an attack on the leadership of 'Assad' WITHOUT evidence of his involvement in the terrible action, is proof positive that the above is correct.

Had it not been for the good sense of the 'British Parliament', the 'Rogue Runners' of both Western powers would now be engaged in yet another mass slaughter of innocents in order to 'SAVE' them from the clutches of their evil ruler BUT, the most damning action actually took place AFTER the failure to launch their savage attack, a 'Political Manoeuvre' which exposes just how unswervingly dishonest both 'Obama' and 'Cameron' are, when the announcement came that the decision to take any action will be subject to the result of what 'Congress' decides at their next meeting (shortly) worded in such a way that one would think that it was 'Obama's' intention in the first place, although the telephone lines must have been red hot when both 'Clowns' realized they were in the shit on this one.

Such 'Wriggling' would do justice to a 'Rattlesnake' (or two) and WE as 'Ringsiders' are now supposed to agree that our leaders have or are acted/acting in a judicial manner, absolutely laughable , the pair of them should be strapped to a 'Gun-carriage' and flogged.

Unfortunately, there are those who can accept such 'Political Chicanery', even defend it BUT, I cannot, I've seen the result of it on far too many occasions in far too many locations these latter years.

As to 'President Assad's Regime', it may well be that it WAS responsible, we can only rely upon the outcome of the investigations into the matter BUT, if there be a 'Hidden Agenda' or as stated "There is more in this than meets the eye", with what confidence can we accept ANY verdict when we have ALL just been treated to an example of just how underhanded our leaders ARE when intent upon their 'Overthrow Objectives' ?

Blinkers ON folks (or OFF) depending upon which side of Israel's borders your sympathies lie.