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[DrCyprus]

I'm just waiting for Turkey to invade Syria. Imet and Lordo will stay, VP and Kentish will go to whatever is left of Momma Turkiye in tears.

Lordo is no Cypriot. His brain is a liability and he should go to back to his Momma's house too. This is where he belongs.

Lordo is the Turkish Cypriot character 'Istories to xwrkou' and 'vourate geitonoi' never got to have because of the 1974 invasion.

[Jerry]

what will happen is the tcs will leave the north to the terks and will move back to their properties in the south and of course we can then revert to the 60 constitution for the south and there you have your solution. thats what you call a true cypriot. but of course any tcs that mouth south do they have the rights the constitution affords them, i think not.

Is that the same constitution that said, in effect, that Cyprus should not be divided. Get rid of you mainland "friends" first and then we'll talk business, but you can't do that can you!

He actually makes a point Jerry, what if lots of Imets and Lordos and VP's move to the government controlled areas and leave the north to the Turks and only for Turks?

In essence, creating a mixed state in the south and a Turkish only state in the north.

There is no mention from him about the refugees returning to claim their property in the north too and he calls himself a true Cypriot.

That has probably been Turkey's plan all along, the TCs can go south or go to hell and we'll keep the north. The sad fact is Turkey has dragged the "negotiations out for so long that the illegal settlers have now established some rights.

[Maximus]

what will happen is the tcs will leave the north to the terks and will move back to their properties in the south and of course we can then revert to the 60 constitution for the south and there you have your solution. thats what you call a true cypriot. but of course any tcs that mouth south do they have the rights the constitution affords them, i think not.

Is that the same constitution that said, in effect, that Cyprus should not be divided. Get rid of you mainland "friends" first and then we'll talk business, but you can't do that can you!

He actually makes a point Jerry, what if lots of Imets and Lordos and VP's move to the government controlled areas and leave the north to the Turks and only for Turks?

In essence, creating a mixed state in the south and a Turkish only state in the north.

There is no mention from him about the refugees returning to claim their property in the north too and he calls himself a true Cypriot.

That has probably been Turkey's plan all along, the TCs can go south or go to hell and we'll keep the north. The sad fact is Turkey has dragged the "negotiations out for so long that the illegal settlers have now established some rights.

What rights? I don't buy into any ideologies that they are now Cypriots or have rights stay in Cyprus.

[Jerry]

what will happen is the tcs will leave the north to the terks and will move back to their properties in the south and of course we can then revert to the 60 constitution for the south and there you have your solution. thats what you call a true cypriot. but of course any tcs that mouth south do they have the rights the constitution affords them, i think not.

Is that the same constitution that said, in effect, that Cyprus should not be divided. Get rid of you mainland "friends" first and then we'll talk business, but you can't do that can you!

He actually makes a point Jerry, what if lots of Imets and Lordos and VP's move to the government controlled areas and leave the north to the Turks and only for Turks?

In essence, creating a mixed state in the south and a Turkish only state in the north.

There is no mention from him about the refugees returning to claim their property in the north too and he calls himself a true Cypriot.

That has probably been Turkey's plan all along, the TCs can go south or go to hell and we'll keep the north. The sad fact is Turkey has dragged the "negotiations out for so long that the illegal settlers have now established some rights.

What rights? I don't buy into any ideologies that they are now Cypriots or have rights stay in Cyprus.

Unfortunately I think you will find that the ECHR will say that some of them have the right to live where they were born.

[Maximus]

Unfortunately I think you will find that the ECHR will say that some of them have the right to live where they were born.

Can you please show me where I will find this.

[DrCyprus]

As far as Turkey is concerned we, as GCs, have an expiry date.

[Jerry]

Unfortunately I think you will find that the ECHR will say that some of them have the right to live where they were born.

Can you please show me where I will find this.

I hate reading this as much as you BUT:-

Here,
It cannot be within this Court's task in interpreting and applying the provisions of the Convention to impose an unconditional obligation on a Government to embark on the forcible eviction and rehousing of potentially large numbers of men, women and children even with the aim of vindicating the rights of victims of violations of the Convention.
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/eng/pag ... 001-97649#{"itemid":["001-97649"]}

And comment here,
It sends the message – which will, undoubtedly used in other cases – that if you do something wrong and stall things for long enough you may get away with it. All in all, this seems pretty much like a victory for Turkey and another cause for grievance for the people of Cyprus. However, it may just send the message that everybody needs to ‘get real’ and negotiate sensible solutions to these long running and very painful legal disputes. To that extent it was a good decision.
http://johnhowellandco.blogspot.co.uk/2 ... urkey.html

[B25]

The corrupt ECHR has made a mockery of the HR's of not only GCs in this case but to be used worldwide as per the comments. How can any law/convention find in favour of the rights of an illegal alien over the legitimate original owner is beyond comprehension and it seems to me this has been done as a method of convenience i wonder how much Turkey had to pay those judges for this ruling??? Must have been some pretty fat envelopes!

[bill cobbett]

... and further, the ECHR ignores one of its own Articles.

Look up the Article that covers this... The Abuse of Rights Article.

[Maximus]

... and further, the ECHR ignores one of its own Articles.

Look up the Article that covers this... The Abuse of Rights Article.

well there is this also from the link Jerry posted above

112. This is not to say that the applicants in these cases have lost their ownership in any formal sense**; the Court would eschew any notion that military occupation should be regarded as a form of adverse possession by which title can be legally transferred to the invading power. Yet it would be unrealistic to expect that as a result of these cases the Court should, or could, directly order the Turkish Government to ensure that these applicants obtain access to, and full possession of, their properties, irrespective of who is now living there or whether the property is allegedly in a militarily sensitive zone or used for vital public purposes.

Its not so straight forward.

**there is a legal vacuum in the north. remove the vacuum and we are back to formalities..