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Torture and suicide in the Turkish Army

Postby kimon07 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:27 am

Turkish Troops Face Torture and Suicide in NATO's Second-Largest Army

More Turkish soldiers have perished from suicide and abuse than from combat in the last decade, but the EU aspirant has done little to stem the crisis.
NOAH BLASERMay 2 2013, 3:14 PM ET

ISTANBUL -- The night private Ugur Kantar died in an Ankara military hospital, his father Aydin Kantar knew all too well who his son's killers were.
He also knew that he would never see them in jail, because the men who had ordered Ugur's torture - which lasted for three days and ended with Ugur in a coma, abandoned and handcuffed to a chair in the blinding Mediterranean sun - were high ranking military officers and effectively above the law.
http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... my/275512/


2. Turkish army conscripts abused, tortured: report October 12, 2012 08:47 PM
ISTANBUL: Hundreds of Turkish military conscripts have suffered harsh abuse and even torture, said a taboo-breaking report published on Friday.
Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle ... z2cruycP93
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)


3. Türk askerlere iskence- torture in the Turkish army barracks (VIDEO)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0huzoCgkHs0


4. turture in the turkish aremd forces (VIDEO)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu9hwa ... rvice_news
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Re: Torture and suicide in the Turkish Army

Postby kimon07 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:31 am

Suicide claims more Turkey troop lives than combat: Defense minister

Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:16AM GMT

Suicide rate in the Turkish army over the past 10 years outnumbers soldier fatalities during combats over the same period, Turkish Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz says.

Over the past 10 years, 965 Turkish soldiers have committed suicide, while the army’s fatalities during its operations have been 601 soldiers over the period, Yilmaz said on Saturday in response to a parliamentary inquiry by pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party.
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/02/2 ... atalities/


Turkish soldier suicides cause concern

By Manolis Kostidis / 23/08/2013 – Ankara

The Turkish Ministry of Defence released shocking statistics on the deaths of soldiers during military service.
According to an announcement by Defence Minister Ismet Yilmaz, in the last 18 months 108 Turkish soldiers committed suicide!
The stats for the 2002 – 2012 period are even more shocking as 934 Turkish soldiers took their own lives.
Between January and July 2013, 39 soldiers committed suicide.
This data raise many questions about the conditions in the neighboring country’s military………
http://www.balkaneu.com/turkish-soldier ... s-concern/
See more at: http://www.balkaneu.com/turkish-soldier ... E2OXE.dpuf
http://www.balkaneu.com/turkish-soldier ... s-concern/
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Re: Torture and suicide in the Turkish Army

Postby kimon07 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:33 am

What was it you was saying Oz?
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Re: Torture and suicide in the Turkish Army

Postby MGCN » Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:00 pm

kimon07 wrote:What was it you was saying Oz?



Same is true for the US forces and they have been at war for a decade.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... eaths.html
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Re: Torture and suicide in the Turkish Army

Postby kimon07 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:08 pm

MGCN wrote:
kimon07 wrote:What was it you was saying Oz?



Same is true for the US forces and they have been at war for a decade.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... eaths.html


Didn't see anything about torture of American soldiers by their officers in your link. As for the suicides, well, as you said, they have been at war for a decade. Combat/war stress can be a good reason.
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Re: Torture and suicide in the Turkish Army

Postby Kikapu » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:39 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if most of these soldiers who are tortured and murdered (suicide) by the Turkish military are those who are homosexuals.

But we'll never get the truth from the Turkish government regarding these so-called “suicides”.
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Re: Torture and suicide in the Turkish Army

Postby kimon07 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:06 am

Kikapu wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if most of these soldiers who are tortured and murdered (suicide) by the Turkish military are those who are homosexuals.



Not to forget Kurds, Alevis, Syriacs, Christians, Laz, journalists, writers, intellectuals, actors, leftists etc, etc.
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Re: Torture and suicide in the Turkish Army

Postby Schnauzer » Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:14 pm

Much of the 'Verbal Abuse' meted out by C/NC Officers of the British army (in the old days 8) ) to their subalterns or lower ranks, was far more hurtful than 'Physical Abuse' and I am sure that there are those among us who have suffered (or inflicted) such abuse during their military training BUT, not to the extent that 'Suicide' was the only answer.

The purpose of 'Verbal Abuse' was to de-humanise rather than insult the recipient, the result being that the lower rank became more fearful of his superior than of his enemy in a combat situation.

How else could you explain the 'Over the Top' escapades of WW1 ?.

A 'Good Hiding' never done anyone much harm BUT, a 'Good Verballing' can have disastrous after effects even leading to 'Suicide' in extreme cases.

Fortunately , most of the 'Old Timers' are still with us, even trotting around with young birds (by all accounts). :wink:
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Re: Torture and suicide in the Turkish Army

Postby kimon07 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:18 pm

Schnauzer wrote:Much of the 'Verbal Abuse' meted out by C/NC Officers of the British army (in the old days 8) ) to their subalterns or lower ranks, was far more hurtful than 'Physical Abuse' and I am sure that there are those among us who have suffered (or inflicted) such abuse during their military training BUT, not to the extent that 'Suicide' was the only answer.

The purpose of 'Verbal Abuse' was to de-humanise rather than insult the recipient, the result being that the lower rank became more fearful of his superior than of his enemy in a combat situation.


That was/is very true for armies with a Feudal tradition (Europe for instance) or of countries with a long tradition of authoritarian ruling of their peoples (Asian for instance). Believe it or not this was never the case (or at least not the rule) with the Greek Army and/or with the CY National Guard in which I did my service. You see, the Greek military πειθ-αρχία, built on a tradition of thousands of years during which it was the privilege and the honour of free citizens to fight for their country (or city state) when needed, has nothing to do with the European "discipline" - "sub-ordination" but is built on "πειθώ" (= persuasion), not fear. The Greek soldier will NOT obey his officer because he fears him. He will obey him in battle only if he trusts and respects him and he is persuaded that the officer is worthy to be his leader. Instead of insults the Greek commander/officer needs to prove his abilities amd shows personal care for the soldier, encourages and praises him whenever he deserves it. Now, hard and tough physical training is something completely different and it is not the same with physical abuse as a form of punishment or persuasion.
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