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Will Turkey Weather the Middle East Storm?

Postby kimon07 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:05 am

Opinion | August 20, 2013
By: Kemal Derviş

A cycle of terrible violence has taken over much of the Middle East. Its center has shifted from Iraq (where sectarian strife has recently escalated again) to Syria, but it encompasses Egypt, Yemen, Libya, and Tunisia as well. Farther east, Afghanistan is suffering its second decade of violent conflict, while Pakistan seems to be chronically on the brink of war, civil war, or social breakdown..................

The most worrisome underlying threat is the increase in fighting between Sunni and Shia Muslims. Likewise, pious conservatives and liberal and leftist secular youth, who joined forces in Cairo and Tunis in 2010-2011 to challenge the dictators, have now turned on each other.............

..............In recent years, there was hope that Turkey could help by serving as a model of a successful economy and well-functioning democracy; but recent events have raised doubts. In fact, Turkey must overcome four sources of internal tension if it is to continue to thrive economically, consolidate its democracy, and act as a compelling example to others.

The first and most serious source of tension stems from the need to recognize Kurdish identity as a fully legitimate part of the Turkish Republic. Those who wish to express a Kurdish identity, as well as all other citizens, must be confident that, while all remain committed to national unity, Turkey is a country in which diversity can thrive.

Second, there is an underlying historical tension between the large Sunni majority and the Alevi-Bektashi minority, loosely linked to Shia Islam.

Third, there is the difference between those who adhere to the tradition of political Islam and those who uphold the strict secularism that came with the republic. Often this social “divide” intersects with the Sunni-Alevi cleavage, as the Alevis have increasingly aligned themselves with the political left.

.....Finally, there is a growing perception of partisanship within the public administration. Building independent, non-partisan regulatory bodies was one of the key pillars of the 2001-2002 reform program. But these reforms have been rolled back recently, with independent regulatory authorities again coming under the control of government ministries (though it seems that the central bank has retained much of its autonomy). As the perception of non-partisanship in public administration has diminished, proximity to those in power has become another source of tension......

.......Turkey must look carefully at the catastrophe unfolding around it in the Middle East. Humanitarian help is necessary, and Turkey is providing it generously, in ways that should serve as an example for Western countries. But Turkey’s political leaders, opinion shapers, and citizens must also recognize that the only protection against a similar disaster at home is a vibrant democracy, a fully professional public administration, and a tolerant society embodying pride and affection for the country’s diversity.

.....Others will not protect Turkey; some may even promote strife within its borders (historical examples of such tactics abound). Turkey alone can protect itself, and only by upholding truly democratic behavior at home and pursuing an external policy that promotes peace and democracy but does not take sides in the region’s ongoing battles, particularly between Sunni and Shia......


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http://www.brookings.edu/research/opini ... ast-dervis
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Re: Will Turkey Weather the Middle East Storm?

Postby Demonax » Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:34 pm

kimon07 wrote:
.....Others will not protect Turkey; some may even promote strife within its borders (historical examples of such tactics abound). Turkey alone can protect itself, and only by upholding truly democratic behavior at home and pursuing an external policy that promotes peace and democracy but does not take sides in the region’s ongoing battles, particularly between Sunni and Shia......


Sensible advice which Erdogan is incapable of taking. Long may he reign! :lol:
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Re: Will Turkey Weather the Middle East Storm?

Postby kimon07 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:35 pm

Demonax wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
.....Others will not protect Turkey; some may even promote strife within its borders (historical examples of such tactics abound). Turkey alone can protect itself, and only by upholding truly democratic behavior at home and pursuing an external policy that promotes peace and democracy but does not take sides in the region’s ongoing battles, particularly between Sunni and Shia......


Sensible advice which Erdogan is incapable of taking. Long may he reign! :lol:



But they DID protect, promoted and ...saved it from... dissolution for at least two centuries, or, to say the least, since after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

What I liked the most was the advice about the NON EXISTING (according to some forum members) Alevi issue. And now it is brought up by one of the most prominent Turks, Alias known, if I am not wrong, as the father of the recent Turkish economic "miracle". Just remember, till a few years back, for Turkey there where NO Kurds in Turkey. Just "mountainous" Turks.
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Re: Will Turkey Weather the Middle East Storm?

Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:51 pm

kimon07 wrote:Opinion | August 20, 2013
By: Kemal Derviş

A cycle of terrible violence has taken over much of the Middle East. Its center has shifted from Iraq (where sectarian strife has recently escalated again) to Syria, but it encompasses Egypt, Yemen, Libya, and Tunisia as well. Farther east, Afghanistan is suffering its second decade of violent conflict, while Pakistan seems to be chronically on the brink of war, civil war, or social breakdown..................

The most worrisome underlying threat is the increase in fighting between Sunni and Shia Muslims. Likewise, pious conservatives and liberal and leftist secular youth, who joined forces in Cairo and Tunis in 2010-2011 to challenge the dictators, have now turned on each other.............

..............In recent years, there was hope that Turkey could help by serving as a model of a successful economy and well-functioning democracy; but recent events have raised doubts. In fact, Turkey must overcome four sources of internal tension if it is to continue to thrive economically, consolidate its democracy, and act as a compelling example to others.

The first and most serious source of tension stems from the need to recognize Kurdish identity as a fully legitimate part of the Turkish Republic. Those who wish to express a Kurdish identity, as well as all other citizens, must be confident that, while all remain committed to national unity, Turkey is a country in which diversity can thrive.

Second, there is an underlying historical tension between the large Sunni majority and the Alevi-Bektashi minority, loosely linked to Shia Islam.

Third, there is the difference between those who adhere to the tradition of political Islam and those who uphold the strict secularism that came with the republic. Often this social “divide” intersects with the Sunni-Alevi cleavage, as the Alevis have increasingly aligned themselves with the political left.

.....Finally, there is a growing perception of partisanship within the public administration. Building independent, non-partisan regulatory bodies was one of the key pillars of the 2001-2002 reform program. But these reforms have been rolled back recently, with independent regulatory authorities again coming under the control of government ministries (though it seems that the central bank has retained much of its autonomy). As the perception of non-partisanship in public administration has diminished, proximity to those in power has become another source of tension......

.......Turkey must look carefully at the catastrophe unfolding around it in the Middle East. Humanitarian help is necessary, and Turkey is providing it generously, in ways that should serve as an example for Western countries. But Turkey’s political leaders, opinion shapers, and citizens must also recognize that the only protection against a similar disaster at home is a vibrant democracy, a fully professional public administration, and a tolerant society embodying pride and affection for the country’s diversity.

.....Others will not protect Turkey; some may even promote strife within its borders (historical examples of such tactics abound). Turkey alone can protect itself, and only by upholding truly democratic behavior at home and pursuing an external policy that promotes peace and democracy but does not take sides in the region’s ongoing battles, particularly between Sunni and Shia......


All of it here:
http://www.brookings.edu/research/opini ... ast-dervis


The final three paragraphs of the same article:

Fortunately, there is hope. The Gezi Park demonstrators who in June protested peacefully against the use of excessive police force by simply standing still also protested peacefully, years ago, against the ban on the headscarf then in effect in Turkey’s universities. This kind of concern for the rights of all is a hallmark of Turkey’s young generation.

Similarly, when the outgoing governor of Van sent a farewell message last month to the largely Kurdish-speaking people in his southeastern province, he delivered it in Kurdish – and received warm wishes in return.

A large majority of Turkey’s citizens share such generosity of spirit. That is why, despite serious difficulties, Turkey has a good chance of overcoming its internal tensions and becoming the example that its Middle East neighbors (and perhaps a few of its European neighbors as well) so desperately need.
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Re: Will Turkey Weather the Middle East Storm?

Postby kimon07 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:34 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
kimon07 wrote:Opinion | August 20, 2013
By: Kemal Derviş

A cycle of terrible violence has taken over much of the Middle East. Its center has shifted from Iraq (where sectarian strife has recently escalated again) to Syria, but it encompasses Egypt, Yemen, Libya, and Tunisia as well. Farther east, Afghanistan is suffering its second decade of violent conflict, while Pakistan seems to be chronically on the brink of war, civil war, or social breakdown..................

The most worrisome underlying threat is the increase in fighting between Sunni and Shia Muslims. Likewise, pious conservatives and liberal and leftist secular youth, who joined forces in Cairo and Tunis in 2010-2011 to challenge the dictators, have now turned on each other.............

..............In recent years, there was hope that Turkey could help by serving as a model of a successful economy and well-functioning democracy; but recent events have raised doubts. In fact, Turkey must overcome four sources of internal tension if it is to continue to thrive economically, consolidate its democracy, and act as a compelling example to others.

The first and most serious source of tension stems from the need to recognize Kurdish identity as a fully legitimate part of the Turkish Republic. Those who wish to express a Kurdish identity, as well as all other citizens, must be confident that, while all remain committed to national unity, Turkey is a country in which diversity can thrive.

Second, there is an underlying historical tension between the large Sunni majority and the Alevi-Bektashi minority, loosely linked to Shia Islam.

Third, there is the difference between those who adhere to the tradition of political Islam and those who uphold the strict secularism that came with the republic. Often this social “divide” intersects with the Sunni-Alevi cleavage, as the Alevis have increasingly aligned themselves with the political left.

.....Finally, there is a growing perception of partisanship within the public administration. Building independent, non-partisan regulatory bodies was one of the key pillars of the 2001-2002 reform program. But these reforms have been rolled back recently, with independent regulatory authorities again coming under the control of government ministries (though it seems that the central bank has retained much of its autonomy). As the perception of non-partisanship in public administration has diminished, proximity to those in power has become another source of tension......

.......Turkey must look carefully at the catastrophe unfolding around it in the Middle East. Humanitarian help is necessary, and Turkey is providing it generously, in ways that should serve as an example for Western countries. But Turkey’s political leaders, opinion shapers, and citizens must also recognize that the only protection against a similar disaster at home is a vibrant democracy, a fully professional public administration, and a tolerant society embodying pride and affection for the country’s diversity.

.....Others will not protect Turkey; some may even promote strife within its borders (historical examples of such tactics abound). Turkey alone can protect itself, and only by upholding truly democratic behavior at home and pursuing an external policy that promotes peace and democracy but does not take sides in the region’s ongoing battles, particularly between Sunni and Shia......


All of it here:
http://www.brookings.edu/research/opini ... ast-dervis


The final three paragraphs of the same article:

Fortunately, there is hope. The Gezi Park demonstrators who in June protested peacefully against the use of excessive police force by simply standing still also protested peacefully, years ago, against the ban on the headscarf then in effect in Turkey’s universities. This kind of concern for the rights of all is a hallmark of Turkey’s young generation.

Similarly, when the outgoing governor of Van sent a farewell message last month to the largely Kurdish-speaking people in his southeastern province, he delivered it in Kurdish – and received warm wishes in return.

A large majority of Turkey’s citizens share such generosity of spirit. That is why, despite serious difficulties, Turkey has a good chance of overcoming its internal tensions and becoming the example that its Middle East neighbors (and perhaps a few of its European neighbors as well) so desperately need.


Wishful thinking. Used as advice to a maniac who listens to nothing else than his own ego and to a deep state that has not done anything to improve internal democracy for ages.
I focussed on the four problems which need to be solved but remain unsolved for decades. If Turkey had any chance to "overcome its internal tensions", Erdogan would not be mocking, insulting and oppressing the Alevis even today, let alone the Kurds and the ohter ethnic and religious minorities.

Turkey an exmple to its "Europen neighbors"??? For crying out loud, of what? Democracy? Civil rights? Minority rights? Relations with neighbors? Religious rights? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, yes, I forgot. Sunni Islamist foundamentalism. No thank you. You can keep it and enjoy it yourselves.
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Re: Will Turkey Weather the Middle East Storm?

Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:56 pm

My reading of the article is that Derviş argues that progressive minded people in Turkey must work together to fulfil the agenda that he outlines, otherwise the consequences may be dire. However, he ends on a optimistic note, believing that the spirit of the recent Gezi Park protests shows that there is every chance of that the change needed to bring pluralism to Turkey can take place.
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Re: Will Turkey Weather the Middle East Storm?

Postby kimon07 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:26 am

Tim Drayton wrote:My reading of the article is that Derviş argues that progressive minded people in Turkey must work together to fulfil the agenda that he outlines, otherwise the consequences may be dire. However, he ends on a optimistic note, believing that the spirit of the recent Gezi Park protests shows that there is every chance of that the change needed to bring pluralism to Turkey can take place.



A “good chance” he said not every chance.

Now, here is “my reading” of that part of his article:

560 years after the formation of the Ottoman Empire (1453 shall we say?) 235 years after the American Revolution (1775), 220 years after the French one (1789) and approx 90 years after the establishment of the “Modern” (Kemalist) Turkish Republic, the fact that a few people demonstrated “silently” in Gezi Park their wish for democratic reforms, is, according to Mr. Dervis, a sign that there is “good chance” for Turkey to become “pluralistic”!!! Meaning, to recognize and stop oppressing, terrorizing and eliminating its minorities, stop imprisoning students and press people for their beliefs etc, etc. And once (IF) that is accomplished, Turkey will become an example of pluralism and democracy even to “some” European countries.

Question:

When do you believe this miraculous change may happen? Before or after the celebrations for the 1,000th anniversary of the conquest of Constantinople?
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