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Will Erdoğan End His Career in Prison?

Postby Demonax » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:03 am

Erdogan: mad, bad and facing a long stretch in a Turkish prison...

Will Erdoğan End His Career in Prison?

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan may think he is riding high. Despite the recent Gezi protests, he remains popular among a large segment of society and, during his last election, he surpassed 50 percent of the vote. He may believe demography is on his side, for religious Anatolians upon whose support he relies have more babies than the more Europeanized, Mediterranean Turks who tourists falsely believe dominate the country based on interactions in historic districts of Istanbul and along the Mediterranean coast. Even though frustration with Erdoğan runs high throughout Turkey and anxiety about the true state of the Turkish economy has increased in recent months, the prime minister can take solace in the impotence of the opposition’s leadership.

Erdoğan at best sees himself as a combination between Russian President Vladimir Putin and an Ottoman sultan, and at worst has become unhinged. He appears above the law, shuttering opposition media willy-nilly to the point where Turkey now rests in the bottom 15 percent in world press freedom, behind such enemies of freedom as Russia, the Palestinian Authority, Zimbabwe, and Venezuela, and only just above Belarus and Egypt. The imprisonment of journalists, generals, and civil society activists has made a mockery of Turkish justice, making Midnight Express look like Turkish courts’ liberal, open, golden age. Erdoğan, who was imprisoned two decades ago for religious incitement, is far more interested in settling scores than he is in reforming or democratizing Turkey.

The problem is few Turkish leaders are as secure as they come to believe. By imprisoning journalists, opposition parliamentarians, and generals for little more than their belief in secularism and Western-style liberalism, Erdoğan is creating a precedent for his own future. Erdoğan—and, according to U.S. diplomatic documents, some of his top cronies like Egemen Bağış and Cuneyt Zapsu—are corrupt; Erdoğan himself has more than a dozen suspended corruption probes against him that, theoretically, will restart once he loses his immunity.

Many of those sentenced to prison on trumped-up charges and conspiracies will not likely end their lives or careers in prison, even if their immediate situation appears dire. Sometimes, the sultan wears no clothes. Unfortunately for Erdoğan, he has paved the way for his new set to be a prison uniform, probably sooner than he realizes.


http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/ ... in-prison/?
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Re: Will Erdoğan End His Career in Prison?

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:28 am

I, too, get the feeling that the end is nigh for Erdoğan, especially if rumours that the Cemaat [Fethullah Gülen's religious organisation] is withdrawing its support from him are true.
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Re: Will Erdoğan End His Career in Prison?

Postby Flying Horse » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:03 am

If he's been imprisoned before, he will 'possibly' be again.

It's like the ending of the 'Emperors New Clothes'. So far up his own backside, that when laid bare, only laughter and ridicule was heard.
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Re: Will Erdoğan End His Career in Prison?

Postby Jerry » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:22 am

A "worse situation compared to Egypt" is a possibility in Turkey according to some. Coupled with the fall in value of the Lira and Erdo's unfounded claims of Israeli conspiracy he must surely be on his way out but what will be the consequences of regime change for Cyprus? A West leaning secular/military government would probably get a pat on the back from the US and "allowed" to keep the occupied territory whereas fundamentalists would be shunned by the West and could possibly lead to a TC revolt on the island. NATO would have no choice but to reinforce the Greece Cyprus Israel alliance but at what price for the "trnc"

Perhaps I'm just being too optimistic but then who would have ever believed in the collapse of the Soviet Union 30+ years ago.

Zaman's Mehmet Kamış thinks that many incidents that took place in Turkey's recent past could have resulted in a coup in the country, which could have been a worse situation compared to Egypt. Kamış says the Ergenekon and Sledgehammer coup plots are the most recent examples that could have brought about dreadful incidents in the country. Kamış also says he agrees with Trade and Customs Minister Hayati Yazıcı who said that if a coup had taken place in Turkey, it would have been bloodier. http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-32 ... claim.html
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Postby Sotos » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:17 pm

Some of you guys talk like Erdogan is the only bad Turk and that if he is gone this will be better for us. Every PM they had so far has been the same shit. If Erdogan goes the next one could be even shittier.
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Re: Will Erdoğan End His Career in Prison?

Postby DrCyprus » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:38 pm

Sotos wrote:Some of you guys talk like Erdogan is the only bad Turk and that if he is gone this will be better for us. Every PM they had so far has been the same shit. If Erdogan goes the next one could be even shittier.


I think Erdogan is doing more good to us than Turkey.
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Re: Will Erdoğan End His Career in Prison?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:18 pm

Yes, I hope he sticks around long enough to do some serious irreparable damage to Turkey, its army and its other leaders.

- I wish for Erdogan to have the honour of presiding over the break-up of Turkey and the ceremonial handover of all occupied regions to their rightful owners.

He can then live a long and pleasant life in some faraway paradise, with my blessing.
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Re: Will Erdoğan End His Career in Prison?

Postby Get Real! » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:30 pm

You’d think Erdogan is on the RoC’s payroll… :lol:
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Re: Will Erdoğan End His Career in Prison?

Postby Demonax » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:52 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:I, too, get the feeling that the end is nigh for Erdoğan, especially if rumours that the Cemaat [Fethullah Gülen's religious organisation] is withdrawing its support from him are true.

Yes these rumours are gaining momentum.

Dangerous Friends: Power Struggle Splits Turkish Ruling Party

Turkey's prime minister has quashed opposition in the streets, but now he faces a more menacing foe: challengers within his own party and from the nebulous Gülen movement. It could spell the end of political Islam in Turkey as we know it...
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Re: Will Erdoğan End His Career in Prison?

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:05 pm

From the latest edition of The Economist; Re: Erdoğan's standing.

Lonely command

The prime minister rules the roost, despite setbacks at home and abroad. Lack of serious opposition helps

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21 ... ck-serious
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