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Gas A Chance For U.S. To Break With Turkey

Postby Demonax » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:29 am

This can only be good news...

Analyst: Mideast Gas a Chance for U.S. to Break with Turkey

The natural gas fields in the Mediterranean provide the United States with an opportunity to break with Turkey, according to Seth Cropsey, formerly the deputy undersecretary of the Navy in the Reagan and George H. W. Bush administrations.

“Politics and alliances in the eastern Mediterranean are shifting, and the region’s security framework is splintering,” Cropsey wrote Monday in PJ Media. “The region is now divided as much within the Muslim world as between it and the non-Muslim states.”

“A new order is emerging as a result of three major events: the redrawing of the region’s hydrocarbon map, with the discovery of substantial hydrocarbon deposits in the Cypriot and Israeli exclusive economic zones; Turkey’s adoption of a hostile neo-Ottoman ideology to guide it in the 21st century; and the ‘Arab Spring,’” wrote Cropsey. “At the mid-point of this political shift, Greece and Cyprus — coordinating with Israel — have remained the principal states in the region that are friendly to the West. When volatility and fear are on the rise, predictability becomes especially prized.”

“The roles of Greece and Cyprus in the West’s political and security framework offer U.S. policy makers an arc of stability in the eastern Mediterranean, and bring the EU to within 45 minutes of Israel’s borders,” he wrote. “Port usage, naval facilities, and strategic airbases that Cyprus and Greece have long extended to the United States permit a U.S. Sixth Fleet — if the U.S. should decide to return that once-powerful naval force to even a fraction of its former strength — to safeguard the region’s sea lines of communication. The region’s increasing volatility has elevated the strategic roles of Greece and Cyprus, and offers an incentive for American statesmen to promote a new order that establishes stronger relations with both countries and bolsters their regional standing.”


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Re: Gas A Chance For U.S. To Break With Turkey

Postby miltiades » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:15 am

All those MORONS, American and Israel HATERS take note.
Our future lies with powerful and influential nations.
The interests of our island can NOT be served by forging alliances with Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinians, Cubans and other non powerful entities.
I have been screaming this out since joining the CYF 7 years ago.Unlike some who continually and repetitively poured scorn on these two nations.

A new era is on the horizon, our interests must be served diligently.












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Re: Gas A Chance For U.S. To Break With Turkey

Postby kimon07 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:45 am

Demonax wrote:This can only be good news...

Analyst: Mideast Gas a Chance for U.S. to Break with Turkey

The natural gas fields in the Mediterranean provide the United States with an opportunity to break with Turkey, according to Seth Cropsey, formerly the deputy undersecretary of the Navy in the Reagan and George H. W. Bush administrations.


Yes, another good one. Similar analysis by the same guy in July 2013 (below). It looks like he is determined to push on this idea.

Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.
by kimon07 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:00 am

It seems that the Neo Ottoman megalomania of Erdogan and his clowns, combined with the messy developments all around the East Med., is rapidly shifting the balance in our favour and offers the opportunity for the creation of a new, long term axis of power (thank you Mr. Prime Minister).

Below is another and very recent article – answer to all those who were dreaming/ suggesting/ hoping that Cypriot and Israeli natural gas should go to the EU through Turkey.
Here are some parts of it.

Will U.S. Choose the Right Side in the Eastern Mediterranean?
July 3, 2013
by Seth Cropsey
http://mobile.hudson.org/articles/artic ... fm?id=9659
cyprus36191-140.html
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Re: Gas A Chance For U.S. To Break With Turkey

Postby kimon07 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:07 am

miltiades wrote:All those MORONS, American and Israel HATERS take note.......


All coins have two sides. So, could it be "All MORONS" who had been planning the long term foreign policies of the USA and of Israel towards Turkey, Cyprus and Greece all these decades, have started realizing, or MAY start realizing their folly?

As far as Israel is concerned, I have no doubt that this is the case. Concerning the USA? Even the Israelis doubt it. How can anyone explain that the USA is still supporting the worst enemies of the West and of Israel both in Egypt and in Syria?

And how come the USA are still supporting that the Israeli and Cypriot natural gas should go to Europe through Turkey? And that a solution to the Cyprus problem should be one securing the illegal status which Turkey has imposed on the island since 1974 i.e., a new Annan Plan? How come they still don't utter a word that Turkey should abide by the UN resolutions for Cyprus and that any solution to the CY problem should be within their frame?
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Re: Gas A Chance For U.S. To Break With Turkey

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:35 am

kimon07 wrote:
miltiades wrote:All those MORONS, American and Israel HATERS take note.......


All coins have two sides. So, could it be "All MORONS" who had been planning the long term foreign policies of the USA and of Israel towards Turkey, Cyprus and Greece all these decades, have started realizing, or MAY start realizing their folly?

As far as Israel is concerned, I have no doubt that this is the case. Concerning the USA? Even the Israelis doubt it. How can anyone explain that the USA is still supporting the worst enemies of the West and of Israel both in Egypt and in Syria?

And how come the USA are still supporting that the Israeli and Cypriot natural gas should go to Europe through Turkey? And that a solution to the Cyprus problem should be one securing the illegal status which Turkey has imposed on the island since 1974 i.e., a new Annan Plan? How come they still don't utter a word that Turkey should abide by the UN resolutions for Cyprus and that any solution to the CY problem should be within their frame?


You're right, the USA is stringing everyone along.

If the USA won't break ties with Turkey to please Israel, it certainly won't break ties with Turkey just to please Cyprus.

The Israelis are simply using us as another lever to persuade the USA against Turkey to suit themselves. They are great opportunists and I don't blame them. We on the other hand should be looking more to sorting out our own EU. The EU can be a much more powerful regional force here than the diminishing USA.
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Re: Gas A Chance For U.S. To Break With Turkey

Postby Oceanside50 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:32 am

Either the Americans are morons and are diminishing in power and influence or The Yankees are complete geniuses..

40-60 years ago the Muslim brotherhood was deemed terrorist by the west..The Arabs touted these Muslim brothers as the savior s of the Arab nation..the people of Egypt spoke they overthrew a dictator who was ruling their country and choose democracy, they elected Morsi from the Muslim Brotherhood.. After Morsi showed his incompetence as a leader by discriminating against the Muslim Bro's foes , the people of Egypt rose up again violently.. They are demanding a leader that takes to heart all of Egypts population and the next elected leader will try desperately to fulfill that role. That's how democracies work..no one significant is calling for a dictator or for Mubarak to come back. All of Egypt wants an elected leader...huge jump from having a dictator to wanting an elected leader,regardless of who he turns out to be..the same principle will apply to Syria..with Al Queda

As for the USA supporting the Annan plan...unfortunately so did the current president of Cyprus and a former pres. In Clerides ...Add to that a couple of prime ministers in Greece....thankfully it was rejected by the Gc..and the Gc decision was respected.. The USA as every other country looks out for its own self interest, the more powerful the more complex it becomes...

If the USA won't break ties with Turkey to please Israel, it certainly won't break ties with Turkey just to please Cyprus.


Why should the USA break ties with anyone to please another?...

As for the EU, its projection of military power is negligible to say the least...
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Re: Gas A Chance For U.S. To Break With Turkey

Postby kimon07 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:53 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
kimon07 wrote:And how come the USA are still supporting that the Israeli and Cypriot natural gas should go to Europe through Turkey? And that a solution to the Cyprus problem should be one securing the illegal status which Turkey has imposed on the island since 1974 i.e., a new Annan Plan? How come they still don't utter a word that Turkey should abide by the UN resolutions for Cyprus and that any solution to the CY problem should be within their frame?


You're right, the USA is stringing everyone along.

If the USA won't break ties with Turkey to please Israel, it certainly won't break ties with Turkey just to please Cyprus.

The Israelis are simply using us as another lever to persuade the USA against Turkey to suit themselves. They are great opportunists and I don't blame them. We on the other hand should be looking more to sorting out our own EU. The EU can be a much more powerful regional force here than the diminishing USA.


Foreign policies of all nations were always and will always be "opportunistic", i.e., foresee and take advantage of regional and international changes and opportunities for the best promotion of their own national/regional interests. Nothing wrong with that. We should be doing the same instead of playing the "coumbares" with leaders like Gadafi and similar.

But this time it is very obvious from what most Israeli and Jewish analysts support, that Israel has realized that in the long run they can not have any alliance with Turkey on a base of eual partenerhip because, regardless of who is/will be leading Turkey, the country has set sail on a long-term goal for the reestablishment of the "Ottoman" influence in the wider region, a development which can prove lethal for the state and the interests of Israel, if not for its survival. It has also become obvious to Israel that Greece and Cyprus are not and will not be antagonistic to it nor pose any threat to its interests but on the contrary, that we share common long term interests with it (economy-defence-energy). It will be up to us to enforce and strengthen this climate and avoid stupid mistakes of the past in respect to our assessment of which are and which are not our own long term national interests.
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Re: Gas A Chance For U.S. To Break With Turkey

Postby miltiades » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:25 am

Strategic and financial alliances have always, throughout history, centered on self interests.

Why else would the USA forge alliances with the likes of Saudi Arabia to name but a few.
We too must focus our attention to our own interests, above all else.
Those amongst us who can not see these are naive and unwise.

Israel is now OFFICIALLY our friend, is it, I wonder, their undisputed love for our people, our nation or for financial and strategic interests.

The answer is crystal clear,
To all of course with the exemption of some GRossly misguided individuals who shall remain ... anonymous !!
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Re: Gas A Chance For U.S. To Break With Turkey

Postby Demonax » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:02 pm

kimon07 wrote:Yes, another good one. Similar analysis by the same guy in July 2013 (below). It looks like he is determined to push on this idea.


Yes, published by the Hudson Institute which is a very influential conservative think-tank. One can only hope these ideas with the work of the Israeli lobby are finding their way through to the the American State Department!
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Re: Gas A Chance For U.S. To Break With Turkey

Postby Flying Horse » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:58 pm

The US is only interested in lining their own pockets. Only interested in taking advantage of countries that can be of interest that may help in their quest to oil(or gas).
Exploitation. Pure and simple. When they can't use a country for their own gain, they just go quiet and neutral, stick their fingers in their ears, and pretend they ain't listening.
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