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Ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide by Greeks in Cyprus

Postby bigOz » Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:55 pm

This is dedicated to komono7, Get Real, B25, Greek Island girl, Kikapu and the like... And do not tell me who or what this guy supported - I dare you to dispute or show that what is said below is not true: ENJOY :D

Former British parliamentarian Michael Stephen reminds Mr.Michael B. Christides, the Charge d'affaires of the Greek Embassy in Ankara and many others who appear to have forgotten what indeed was the case in Cyprus from 1963 to 1974 MICHAEL STEPHEN*

Ankara - Turkish Daily News 13 May 1999

The assertion by Mr. Christides (May 10) that there was no ethnic cleansing or attempted genocide of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots is ridiculous. Until influential Greek Cypriots come to terms with the appalling behavior of their community toward the smaller Turkish Cypriot community and stop trying to persuade themselves and the world that each side was as much to blame as the other, there will be no reconciliation in Cyprus.

In his memoirs, American Undersecretary of State George Ball said:

"Makarios's central interest was to block off Turkish intervention so that he and his Greek Cypriots could go on happily massacring Turkish Cypriots. Obviously we would never permit that." The fact is, however, that neither the United States, the United Kingdom, nor the United Nations, nor anyone, other than Turkey ever took effective action to prevent it. On Feb. 17, 1964 the Washington

Post reported that "Greek Cypriot fanatics appear bent on a policy of genocide."

Former British Prime Minister Sir Alec Douglas-Home said, "I was convinced that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island."

On July 28, 1960 Makarios, the Greek Cypriot president, said: "The independence agreements do not form the goal -- they are the present and not the future. The Greek Cypriot people will continue their national cause and shape their future in accordance with THEIR will." In a speech on Sept. 4, 1962 at Panayia Makarios said, "Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race that has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered terminated."

In November 1963 the Greek Cypriots demanded the abolition of no less than eight of the basic articles that had been included in the 1960 agreement for the protection of the Turkish Cypriots. The Turkish Cypriots, naturally, refused to agree. The aim of the Greek Cypriots was to reduce the Turkish Cypriot people to the status of a mere minority, wholly subject to the control of the Greek Cypriots, pending ultimate destruction or expulsion of the Turkish Cypriots from the island.

"When the Turkish Cypriots objected to the amendment of the Constitution, Makarios put his plan into effect, and the Greek Cypriot attack began in December 1963," wrote Lt Gen. George Karayiannis of the Greek Cypriot militia ("Ethnikos Kiryx" 15.6.65). The general was referring to the notorious "Akritas" plan, which was the blueprint for the annihilation of the Turkish Cypriots and the annexation of the island to Greece.

On Christmas Eve 1963 the Greek Cypriot militia attacked Turkish Cypriot communities across the island. Large numbers of men,women, and children were killed and 270 mosques, shrines and other places of worship were desecrated.

On Dec. 28, 1963, the Daily Express carried the following report from Cyprus: "We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there, and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print.

Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears."

On Dec. 31, 1963, The Guardian reported: "It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualties were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of a doctor

-- allegedly by a group of 40 men, many in army boots and greatcoats." Although the Turkish Cypriots fought back as best they could and killed some militia, there were no massacres of Greek Cypriot civilians.

On Jan. 1, 1964, the Daily Herald reported: "When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children's cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighboring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house."

On Jan. 2, 1964, the Daily Telegraph wrote: "The Greek Cypriot community should not assume that the British military presence can or should secure them against Turkish intervention if they persecute the Turkish Cypriots. We must not be a shelter for double-crossers."

On Jan. 12, 1964, the British High Commission in Nicosia wrote in a telegram to London: "The Greek [Cypriot] police are led by extremists who provoked the fighting and deliberately engaged in atrocities. They have recruited into their ranks as 'special constables' gun-happy young thugs. They threaten to try and punish any Turkish Cypriot police who wishes to return to the Cyprus Government.... Makarios assured Sir Arthur Clark that there will be no attack. His assurance is as worthless as previous assurances have proved."

On Jan. 14, 1964, the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on Dec.

26, 1963 and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross. A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by The Observer on Feb. 16, 1964; and there were many more.

On Feb. 6, 1964, a British patrol found armed Greek Cypriot police attacking the Turkish Cypriots of Ayios Sozomenos. They were unable to stop the attack.

On Feb. 13, 1964, the Greeks and Greek Cypriots attacked the Turkish Cypriot quarter of Limassol with tanks, killing 16 and injuring 35. On Feb. 15, 1964, the Daily Telegraph reported: "It is a real military operation which the Greek Cypriots launched against the 6,000 inhabitants of the Turkish Cypriot quarter yesterday morning. A spokesman for the Greek Cypriot government has recognized this officially. It is hard to conceive how Greek and Turkish Cypriots may seriously contemplate working together after all that has happened."

On Sept. 10, 1964, the U.N. Secretary-General reported that "UNFICYP carried out a detailed survey of all damage to properties throughout the island during the disturbances. ...it shows that in 109 villages, most of them Turkish-Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting. In Ktima 38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially. In the Orphomita suburb of Nicosia, 50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 240 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs."

The U.K. House of Commons Select Committee on Foreign Affairs reviewed the Cyprus question in 1987 and reported unanimously on July 2 of that year that "although the Cyprus Government now claims to have been merely seeking to 'operate the 1960 Constitution modified to the extent dictated by the necessities of the situation,' this claim ignores the fact that both before and after the events of December 1963 the Makarios Government continued to advocate the cause of ITAL<< enosis >>ITAL and actively pursued the amendment of the Constitution and the related treaties to facilitate this ultimate objective."

The committee continued: "Moreover, in June 1967 the Greek Cypriot legislature unanimously passed a resolution in favor of ITAL<<enosis, >>ITAL in blatant contravention of the 1960 Treaties andConstitution." (Art. 1 of the Treaty of Guarantee prohibited any action likely to directly or indirectly promote union with any other state or partition of the island, and Art. 185(2) of the Constitution is to similar effect).

Professor Ernst Forsthoff, the neutral president of the Supreme Constitutional Court of Cyprus, told Die Welt on Dec. 27, 1963:

"Makarios bears on his shoulders the sole responsibility for the recent tragic events. His aim is to deprive the Turkish community of their rights." In an interview with the UPI press agency on Dec. 30, 1963 he said, "All this happened because Makarios wanted to take away all constitutional rights from the Turkish Cypriots."

The United Nations not only failed to condemn the forceable usurpation of the legal order in Cyprus, but actually rewarded it by treating the by then wholly Greek Cypriot administration as if it were the government of Cyprus (Security Council Res. 186 of 1964). This acceptance has continued to the present day, and reflects no credit upon the United Nations, nor upon Britain, nor the other countries who have acquiesced.

On Aug. 12, 1964, the U.K. representative to the United Nations wrote to his government in London as follows:

"What is our policy and true feelings about the future of Cyprus and about Makarios? Judging from the English newspapers and many others, the feeling is very strong indeed against Makarios and his so-called government, and nothing would please the British people more than to see him toppled and the Cyprus problem solved by the direct dealings between the Turks and the Greeks. We are of course supporting the latter course, but I have never seen any expression of the official disapproval in public against Makarios and his evil doings. Is there an official view about this, and what do we think we should do in the long run? Sometimes it seems that the obsession of some people with 'the Commonwealth' blinds us to everything else and it would be high treason to take a more active line against Makarios and his henchmen. At other times the dominant feature seems to be concern lest active opposition against Makarios should lead to direct conflict with the Cypriots and end up with our losing our bases."

Thereafter Turkish Cypriot MPs, judges, and other officials were intimidated or prevented by force from carrying out their duties.

According to the Select Committee, "The effect of the crisis of December 1963 was to deliver control of the formal organs of government into the hands of the Greek Cypriots alone. Claiming to be acting in accordance with 'the doctrine of necessity,' the Greek Cypriot members of the House of Representatives enacted a series of laws which provided for the operation of the organs of government without Turkish Cypriot participation."

The report of the Select Committee continued: "Equally damaging from the Turkish Cypriot point of view was what they considered to be their effective exclusion from representation at and participation in the international fora where their case could have been deployed.... An official Turkish Cypriot presence in the international political scene virtually disappeared overnight." It is not therefore surprising that the world has been persuaded to the Greek Cypriot point of view.

More than 300 Turkish Cypriots are still missing without trace from these massacres of 1963/64. These dreadful events were not the responsibility of "the Greek Colonels" of 1974 or an unrepresentative handful of Greek Cypriot extremists. The persecution of the Turkish Cypriots was an act of policy on the part of the Greek Cypriot political and religious leadership, which has to this day made no serious attempt to bring the murderers to justice.

The U.K. Commons Select Committee found that "there is little doubt that much of the violence which the Turkish Cypriots claim led to the total or partial destruction of 103 Turkish villages and the displacement of about a quarter of the total Turkish Cypriot population was either directly inspired by, or certainly connived at, by the Greek Cypriot leadership."

The U.N. secretary-general reported to the Security Council: "When the disturbances broke out in December 1963 and continued during the first part of 1964, thousands of Turkish Cypriots fled their homes, taking with them only what they could drive or carry, and sought refuge in safer villages and areas."

On Jan. 14, 1964, "Il Giorno" of Italy reported: "Right now we are witnessing the exodus of Turkish Cypriots from the villages.

Thousands of people abandoning homes, land, herds. Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This time the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the statues of Plato do not cover up their barbaric and ferocious behavior."

The Greek Cypriots sometimes allege that it was they who were attacked, by the Turkish Cypriots, who were determined to wreck the 1960 agreements. However, the Turkish Cypriots were not only outnumbered by nearly four to one; they were also surrounded in their villages by armed Greek Cypriots; they had no way of protecting their women and children, and Turkey was 40 miles away across the sea. The very idea that in those circumstances the Turkish Cypriots were the aggressors is absurd.

There were further attacks on the Turkish Cypriots in 1967. In 1971, General Grivas returned to Cyprus to form EOKA-B, which was again committed to making Cyprus a wholly Greek island and annexing it to Greece. In a speech to the Greek Cypriot armed forces at the time (quoted in "New Cyprus," May 1987) Grivas said:

"The Greek forces from Greece have come to Cyprus in order to impose the will of the Greeks of Cyprus upon the Turks. We want ITAL<< enosis >>ITAL but the Turks are against it. We shall impose our will. We are strong, and we shall do so."

By July 15, 1974, a powerful force of mainland Greek troops had assembled in Cyprus and with their backing, the Greek Cypriot National Guard overthrew Makarios and installed one Nicos Sampson as "president." On July 22, the Washington Star News reported:

"Bodies littered the streets and there were mass burials....

People told by Makarios to lay down their guns were shot by the National Guard."

On April 17, 1991, Ambassador Nelson Ledsky testified before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee that "most of the 'missing persons' disappeared in the first days of July 1974, before the Turkish intervention on the 20th. Many killed on the Greek side were killed by Greek Cypriots in fighting between supporters of Makarios and Sampson."

On Nov. 6, 1974, Ta Nea reported that dates from the graves of Greek Cypriots killed in the five days between July 15-20 were erased in order to blame these deaths on the subsequent Turkish military action.

On March 3, 1996, the Greek Cypriot Cyprus Mail wrote: "(Greek)

Cypriot governments have found it convenient to conceal the scale of atrocities during the July 15 coup in an attempt to downplay its contribution to the tragedy of the summer of 1974 and instead blame the Turkish invasion for all casualties. There can be no justification for any government that failed to investigate this sensitive humanitarian issue. The shocking admission by the Clerides government that there are people buried in Nicosia cemetery who are still included in the list of the 'missing' is the last episode of a human drama which has been turned into a propaganda tool."

On Oct. 19 1996, Mr. Georgios Lanitis wrote: "I was serving with the Foreign Information Service of the Republic of Cyprus in London.... I deeply apologize to all those I told that there are 1,619 missing persons. I misled them. I was made a liar, deliberately, by the government of Cyprus. ...today it seems that the credibility of Cyprus is nil."

Turkish Cypriots appealed to the guarantor powers for help, but only Turkey was willing to make any effective response. On July 20, 1974 Turkey intervened under Article IV of the Treaty of Guarantee. The Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on Feb. 26, 1981 in which he said,

"Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ITAL<< enosis,>>ITAL I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."

The Times and The Guardian reported on Aug. 21, 1974 that in the village of Tokhni on Aug. 14, 1974 all the Turkish Cypriot men between the ages of 13 and 74, except for eighteen who managed to escape, were taken away and shot.

There were also reports that in Zyyi on the same day all the Turkish-Cypriot men aged between 19 and 38 were taken away and were never seen again and that Greek-Cypriots opened fire on the Turkish-Cypriot neighborhood of Paphos killing men, women, and children indiscriminately.

On July 23, 1974, the Washington Post reported that "in a Greek raid on a small Turkish village near Limassol 36 people out of a population of 200 were killed. The Greeks said that they had been given orders to kill the inhabitants of the Turkish villages before the Turkish forces arrived." The Times and The Guardian also reported on the killings.

"The Greeks began to shell the Turkish quarter on Saturday, refugees said. Kazan Dervis, a Turkish Cypriot girl aged 15, said she had been staying with her uncle. The [Greek Cypriot] National Guard came into the Turkish sector and shooting began. She saw her uncle and other relatives taken away as prisoners, and later heard her uncle had been shot." (Times 23.7.74)

On July 28, 1974 the New York Times reported that 14 Turkish-Cypriot men had been shot in Alaminos. On July 24, 1974 France Soir reported that "the Greeks burned Turkish mosques and set fire to Turkish homes in the villages around Famagusta.

Defenseless Turkish villagers who have no weapons live in an atmosphere of terror and they evacuate their homes and go and live in tents in the forests. The Greeks' actions are a shame to humanity."

On July 22, Turkish Prime Minister Ecevit called upon the United Nations to "stop the genocide of Turkish-Cypriots" and declared, "Turkey has accepted a cease-fire, but will not allow Turkish-Cypriots to be massacred."

The German newspaper Die Zeit wrote on Aug. 30, "The massacre of Turkish Cypriots in Paphos and Famagusta is the proof of how justified the Turks were to undertake their intervention."

"Turkish Cypriots, who had suffered from physical attacks since 1963, called on the guarantor powers to prevent a Greek conquest of the island. When Britain did nothing Turkey invaded Cyprus and occupied its northern part. Turkish Cypriots have constitutional right on their side and understandably fear a renewal of persecution if the Turkish army withdraws," the Daily Telegraph wrote on Aug. 15, 1996.

"Turkey intervened to protect the lives and property of the Turkish-Cypriots, and to its credit it has done just that. In the 12 years since, there have been no killings and no massacres" Lord Willis (Labor) told the House of Lords on Dec. 17, 1986.

On March 12, 1977, Makarios declared, "It is in the name of ITAL<< enosis >>ITAL that Cyprus has been destroyed."

The United Nations, the Commonwealth, and the rest of the world have put political expediency before principle and failed to condemn this appalling behavior. Greek Cypriots are guilty of attempted genocide but no action has ever been taken against them.

Instead they have been rewarded by recognition as the government of all Cyprus. The Turkish Cypriots by contrast were frozen out of the United Nations, the Commonwealth and almost every other international organization.

* The author Michael Stephen was a member of the British Parliament from 1992-1997.

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Re: Ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide by Greeks in Cyp

Postby Get Real! » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:06 pm

Former British parliamentarian Michael Stephen

:) Unfortunately, your story doesn't even get off the ground because this guy later formed a business to serve political interests for a fee. Turkey hired him for 2-3 years during which he wrote a number of propaganda articles.

We have entire threads dedicated to this. Search for his name.
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Re: Ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide by Greeks in Cyp

Postby bigOz » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:51 am

Get Real! wrote:
Former British parliamentarian Michael Stephen

:) Unfortunately, your story doesn't even get off the ground because this guy later formed a business to serve political interests for a fee. Turkey hired him for 2-3 years during which he wrote a number of propaganda articles.

We have entire threads dedicated to this. Search for his name.

How typical of you to concentrate just on the name of the source gatherer, in a poor attempt to evade the long listed factual issues in above thread!

My story was off the ground very long time ago (almost reaching the outer galaxies now :D ) and I was one of the main participants in the debate involving the above claims PLUS a lot more. Events that your education system left your people and youth ignorant of, in a desperate attempt to brainwash and create Turk hatred.

The person you are referring to is not the "SOURCE" of these true events that took place between GC-TCs inter communal problems. The sources are quoted in every paragraph - mostly Eu press, peace keeping forces and the UN itself! :roll: Which paragraph (given with the dates and locations) is it exactly you are denying and are seeking further proof of - please let me know and it will be my pleasure to provide you with the gory details! SO! What exactly is your point?

Get Real! As much as I enjoy arguing ıopposing points with you, please do get real and stop acting the fool with me, because if your memory served you right, you would have remembered that I do not write fantasies or made up stories. My posts are 100% true with plenty to back them up if the need arises. So stop stirring the hornets nest, and just stay down like every one else, when confronted with the truth - otherwise you will be buried with facts and true events that would make you cringe! :wink:

Just answer me this Get Real: Has there ever been a mass grave discovered between 1963 and 1974 where innocent women children and very elderly GCs were found to be murdered and buried. Did the TCs with the help of either TMT or mainland Turkish army attack a civilian village and bury all their occupants - please give me an example of a location and a date and then ask the same question and I shall give you many examplesssssssss! Hade reh! Just go away quitely, and others may go without noticing this thread on their way to accuse the Turks to be the thugs and cold blooded murderers! :roll:

Oh! Repulsive Warriors comment in another threat - I shall start a thread on Ataturk's life when I get the chance - but I shall have look for reliable books (preferably by foreign writers') to refer to material that are historic facts and not "hearsay" or mere "allegations"... :D
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Re: Ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide by Greeks in Cyp

Postby DrCyprus » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:22 pm

bigOz wrote:25 euro's worth of bigoted blabla yadayada



I'm sorry, but Cyprus is suffering an economic crisis at the moment. We haven't planned a budget for your 25 euro history lessons from 3rd grade questionable bigoted sources.
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Re: Ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide by Greeks in Cyp

Postby DT. » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:19 pm

Stupid game to play Big Oz but you can start with the Liasis family which was discovered thanks to the CMP and Turkish Cypriot journalist. this grave included children. You can also have a look at Andreas Kyriakou and his family again thanks to the CMP where the youngest victim in the mass grave was a months old baby.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:41 pm

...indeed, let's do that too! let's list all the atrocities on one page, to honour the dead.
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Re: Ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide by Greeks in Cyp

Postby bigOz » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:06 pm

DT. wrote:Stupid game to play Big Oz but you can start with the Liasis family which was discovered thanks to the CMP and Turkish Cypriot journalist. this grave included children. You can also have a look at Andreas Kyriakou and his family again thanks to the CMP where the youngest victim in the mass grave was a months old baby.

DT - my post asks about the "mass graves" and not family graves! More importantly, it clearly questions whether any TCs, with or without the help of TMT or mainland Turkish army (as was the case with the Greek mainland army backed up EOKA-B) carried out any atrocities against their countrymen!

What the Turkish army did after the damage was done and they were here in force is not my debate, because if you really take a good look at the above list, you will have to agree that Greeks brought down onto themselves everything that happened afterwards! Furthermore, it has been shown time and time again that GCs had always tried to portray EOKA-B killings as carried out by Turkish mainland soldier's.

Of course I agree that Turkish forces also killed civilians - especially after the discovery of Turkish mass graves - just like they did to Armenians in Eastern Turkey. "Do I agree with that?" NO! Definitely not. No one should touch helpless elderly and children! Cypriot culture traditionally does not cater for that - but once the influence of mainlands are allowed you have to take and accept everything. Ethnic Greeks in Cyprus are to blame for everything that happened in Cyprus over the past 40 years - and until they accept and repent, there will be no solutions during our lifetime. Below are just a few statements to prove my case:

In a speech on [b]4th September 1962, at Panayia, Makarios actually said “Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered as terminated."


Article 173 of the Constitution provided that separate municipalities be established for Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. The Greek Cypriots refused to obey this provision, so the Turkish Cypriots took the matter to the Supreme Constitutional Court of Cyprus.
In February 1963 (Cyprus Mail 12.2.63) Archbishop Makarios declared on behalf of the Greek Cypriots that if the Court ruled against them they would ignore it. On 25th April 1963 the Court did rule against them and they did ignore it. The neutral President of the Court (a German citizen) resigned and the rule of law in Cyprus collapsed.


On 14th January 1964 the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on 26th December 1963, and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross. A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by The Observer on 16th February 1964, and there were many more.


In his book "The Way the Wind Blows" former British Prime Minister, Sir Alec Douglas-Home said "I was convinced of the view that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island.
More than 300 Turkish Cypriots are still missing without trace from these massacres nearly 27 years ago. These dreadful events were not the responsibility of "the Greek Colonels" (who did not take power in Greece until much later) or an unrepresentative handful of Greek Cypriot extremists. The persecution of the Turkish Cypriots was an act of policy on the part of the Greek Cypriot political and religious leadership, which has even to this day brought hardly any of the murderers to justice."


In the village of Tokhni on 14th August 1974 all the Turkish Cypriot men between the ages of 13 to 74, except for eighteen who managed to escape, were taken away and shot (Times, Guardian, 21st August)
In Zyyi on the same day all the Turkish Cypriot men aged between 19 and 38 were taken away by Greek Cypriots and were never seen again. On the same day Greek Cypriots opened fire in the Turkish Cypriot neighbourhood of Paphos killing men, women and children indiscriminately. On 23rd July 1974 the Washington Post reported "In a Greek raid on a small Turkish village near Limassol 36 people out of a population of 200 were killed. The Greeks said that they had been given orders to kill the inhabitants of the Turkish villages before the Turkish forces arrived." (also Times, Guardian, 23rd July 1974).


On 24th July 1974 France Soir reported: "The Greeks burned Turkish mosques and set fire to Turkish homes in the villages around Famagusta. Defenceless Turkish villagers who have no weapons live in an atmosphere of terror and they evacuate their homes and go and live in tents in the forests. The Greeks' actions are a shame to humanity."


[quote]On 12th March 1977 Makarios had declared "In the name of ENOSIS that Cyprus has been destroyed."[/quote]

On Independence Day 1985 the Greek Cypriot Daily Simerini lamented as follows: "We believed that we are the centre of the Earth. We thought that we, small and insignificant as we are, would be capable of exercising policy on an intercontinental plane. But also above all we underestimated the Turks. The unstable and fickle policy of our leaders has brought us to the brink of total disaster."


The Greek newspaper TA NEA published an interview on 28th February 1976 with Father Papatsestos, the Greek Orthodox priest in charge of the Nicosia cemetery. He recounted the events of 17th July 1974 when Greek officers required him to bury truckloads of Greek Cypriots in mass graves, together with one young Greek Cypriot whom they buried alive, and ten dead Turkish Cypriots. This one priest counted at least 127 bodies brought to him, and there must have been many similar incidents throughout the island.[/quote]

In an article on 28th February 1976 in the Greek Cypriot press Father Papatsestos said: It is a rather hard thing to say, but it is true that the Turkish intervention saved us from a merciless internecine war.The Sampson regime had prepared a list of all Makarios supporters, and they would have slaughtered them all."


The odd (ambiguous) examples you gave mean and prove nothing when you look at the above! How anyone can still blame the TCs or mainland Turkey for the subsequent events is beyond comprehension and can only be defined as blindfolded, nationalistic (Greek), truth defying, blabber.

Many moons ago I remember (even with opposing views) how we almost managed to work out a solution that might work in Cyprus, in this very forum. But I keep giving long brakes in my participation and I noticed how little you participate in any discussion anymore. I am hardly surprised, because the ruddy thing has been taken over by ELAM and mainland Greeks posting a lot of hot air! I remember us agreeing to meet for a drink on my return to the island from UK - I have been back for almost 5 years now! I will message you privately and maybe we can have that drink together after all
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Re: Ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide by Greeks in Cyp

Postby Get Real! » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:12 pm

BigOz,

The alleged “key points” of this childish article written by a paid propagandist (who had lost his civil service job because his constituency had been dissolved) are nothing but a misconstrued generalization of actual events and sometimes even manufactured events.

For example, I’ll take one of these “key points” made by Stephens:

“On Feb. 6, 1964, a British patrol found armed Greek Cypriot police attacking the Turkish Cypriots of Ayios Sozomenos. They were unable to stop the attack.”

Why don’t you read the story yourself as reported by Time magazine and come back and tell us if Michael Steven’s generalization above is worthy of anyone’s time!

From the Time magazine:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 34,00.html

It's the same story for every one of those points in this article... a misconstrued simplified generalization of complex involved events to serve a political purpose.

Everyone knows that the only known genocide that took place on Cyprus was that of the native Cypriots by your brutal Ottoman forefathers that spanned for over 400 years!

In future you should lookup the word “genocide” before using it.
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Re: Ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide by Greeks in Cyp

Postby bigOz » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:18 pm

bigOz wrote:
DT. wrote:Stupid game to play Big Oz but you can start with the Liasis family which was discovered thanks to the CMP and Turkish Cypriot journalist. this grave included children. You can also have a look at Andreas Kyriakou and his family again thanks to the CMP where the youngest victim in the mass grave was a months old baby.

DT - my post asks about the "mass graves" and not family graves! More importantly, it clearly questions whether any TCs, with or without the help of TMT or mainland Turkish army (as was the case with the Greek mainland army backed up EOKA-B) carried out any atrocities against their countrymen!

What the Turkish army did after the damage was done and they were here in force is not my debate, because if you really take a good look at the above list, you will have to agree that Greeks brought down onto themselves everything that happened afterwards! Furthermore, it has been shown time and time again that GCs had always tried to portray EOKA-B killings as carried out by Turkish mainland soldier's.

Of course I agree that Turkish forces also killed civilians - especially after the discovery of Turkish mass graves - just like they did to Armenians in Eastern Turkey. "Do I agree with that?" NO! Definitely not. No one should touch helpless elderly and children! Cypriot culture traditionally does not cater for that - but once the influence of mainlands are allowed you have to take and accept everything. Ethnic Greeks in Cyprus are to blame for everything that happened in Cyprus over the past 40 years - and until they accept and repent, there will be no solutions during our lifetime. Below are just a few statements to prove my case:

In a speech on [b]4th September 1962, at Panayia, Makarios actually said “Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered as terminated."


Article 173 of the Constitution provided that separate municipalities be established for Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. The Greek Cypriots refused to obey this provision, so the Turkish Cypriots took the matter to the Supreme Constitutional Court of Cyprus.
In February 1963 (Cyprus Mail 12.2.63) Archbishop Makarios declared on behalf of the Greek Cypriots that if the Court ruled against them they would ignore it. On 25th April 1963 the Court did rule against them and they did ignore it. The neutral President of the Court (a German citizen) resigned and the rule of law in Cyprus collapsed.


On 14th January 1964 the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on 26th December 1963, and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross. A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by The Observer on 16th February 1964, and there were many more.


In his book "The Way the Wind Blows" former British Prime Minister, Sir Alec Douglas-Home said "I was convinced of the view that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island.
More than 300 Turkish Cypriots are still missing without trace from these massacres nearly 27 years ago. These dreadful events were not the responsibility of "the Greek Colonels" (who did not take power in Greece until much later) or an unrepresentative handful of Greek Cypriot extremists. The persecution of the Turkish Cypriots was an act of policy on the part of the Greek Cypriot political and religious leadership, which has even to this day brought hardly any of the murderers to justice."


In the village of Tokhni on 14th August 1974 all the Turkish Cypriot men between the ages of 13 to 74, except for eighteen who managed to escape, were taken away and shot (Times, Guardian, 21st August)
In Zyyi on the same day all the Turkish Cypriot men aged between 19 and 38 were taken away by Greek Cypriots and were never seen again. On the same day Greek Cypriots opened fire in the Turkish Cypriot neighbourhood of Paphos killing men, women and children indiscriminately. On 23rd July 1974 the Washington Post reported "In a Greek raid on a small Turkish village near Limassol 36 people out of a population of 200 were killed. The Greeks said that they had been given orders to kill the inhabitants of the Turkish villages before the Turkish forces arrived." (also Times, Guardian, 23rd July 1974).


On 24th July 1974 France Soir reported: "The Greeks burned Turkish mosques and set fire to Turkish homes in the villages around Famagusta. Defenceless Turkish villagers who have no weapons live in an atmosphere of terror and they evacuate their homes and go and live in tents in the forests. The Greeks' actions are a shame to humanity."


[quote]On 12th March 1977 Makarios had declared "In the name of ENOSIS that Cyprus has been destroyed."


On Independence Day 1985 the Greek Cypriot Daily Simerini lamented as follows: "We believed that we are the centre of the Earth. We thought that we, small and insignificant as we are, would be capable of exercising policy on an intercontinental plane. But also above all we underestimated the Turks. The unstable and fickle policy of our leaders has brought us to the brink of total disaster."


The Greek newspaper TA NEA published an interview on 28th February 1976 with Father Papatsestos, the Greek Orthodox priest in charge of the Nicosia cemetery. He recounted the events of 17th July 1974 when Greek officers required him to bury truckloads of Greek Cypriots in mass graves, together with one young Greek Cypriot whom they buried alive, and ten dead Turkish Cypriots. This one priest counted at least 127 bodies brought to him, and there must have been many similar incidents throughout the island.[/quote]

In an article on 28th February 1976 in the Greek Cypriot press Father Papatsestos said: It is a rather hard thing to say, but it is true that the Turkish intervention saved us from a merciless internecine war.The Sampson regime had prepared a list of all Makarios supporters, and they would have slaughtered them all."


The odd (ambiguous) examples you gave mean and prove nothing when you look at the above! How anyone can still blame the TCs or mainland Turkey for the subsequent events is beyond comprehension and can only be defined as blindfolded, nationalistic (Greek), truth defying, blabber.

Many moons ago I remember (even with opposing views) how we almost managed to work out a solution that might work in Cyprus, in this very forum. But I keep giving long brakes in my participation and I noticed how little you participate in any discussion anymore. I am hardly surprised, because the ruddy thing has been taken over by ELAM and mainland Greeks posting a lot of hot air! I remember us agreeing to meet for a drink on my return to the island from UK - I have been back for almost 5 years now! I will message you privately and maybe we can have that drink together after all
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Get Real! You are manipulative and or ignorant beyond comprehension! ABOVE is what the truth is - never mind what the bugger said and how that insignificant event took place! Show and prove to me that any of the above is a lie! :roll:

You are in denial at all times, and as long as the GCs are in denial you can kiss the North goodbye forever! Alternatively you will have Maraş back, when you are forced to recognise Famagusta as an international port and Ercan as an international airport! Until you repent, you will have to give and take at all times :D
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Re: Ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide by Greeks in Cyp

Postby Demonax » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:34 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Everyone knows that the only known genocide that took place on Cyprus was that of the native Cypriots by your brutal Ottoman forefathers that spanned for over 400 years!

In future you should lookup the word “genocide” before using it.


Turkey's analysis of conduct in terms of Article II of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide makes it clear that Turkey committed a species of genocide as respects the Greek Cypriot community. Turkey intended to destroy the Greek Cypriots as an ethnic and religious group in the occupied area by deliberately inflicting on it conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in part and its total and permanent displacement from the occupied part of Cyprus. Unfortunately no international judicial machinery is available to arraign Turkey as she has not recognised yet the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice.

http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/human_rights.html
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