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[Viewpoint]

Would the fact that your perverted boy loving leader makarios systematically paid for T C to go live abroad?

[bill cobbett]

Would the fact that your perverted boy loving leader makarios systematically paid for T C to go live abroad?

Anyone who bothers to research Big Mak would know he was one for the ladies ...

... Now Clear Off CF with your lying rubbish

[Jerry]

Very interesting OZ

Talking of kicking people out take a look at Imbros and Tenedos, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbros or even more recently in 1955 the Istanbul Pogrom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_riots now that’s really kicking people out not some wild theory as to what may have happened.

If you can accept the fact that Turkey wanted Cyprus back (or at least partition it) after the British left you will find it much easier to understand the tragic (for all Cypriots) sequence of events that has divided the island but don’t take my word for it see what these messages between U.S. Department of State and its representatives in Cyprus reveal.

“Mr. Lloyd said the British had just gone through an agonizing reappraisal of the whole Cyprus business. The Turks, he said, are completely unapproachable in the matter of giving up partition for a base on the island. He had found Zorlu simply not negotiable on the subject

The Secretary said that we are not against anything that seems likely to work. He felt, however, that the Greek Government could not accept such solutions. Today the Turks have only a moral position because Cyprus is close to Turkey, but they have no juridical status there and the Secretary believed the Greeks could not accept granting them such a status

Mr. Lloyd felt that the Greeks are now getting frightened with respect to Turkish intentions and it was also true that the Turks are now saying very bad things about the British. They had started a campaign and he was not sure that they can stop it now though in the past they had occasionally turned the tap on and offHe informs us that he found Makarios in particularly conciliatory mood. He apparently recognizes need for realism in light present critical situation and told source he felt that if British were able to come forth with self- government formula for fixed period of years with provision for subsequent Cypriot self-determination, he personally would be willing to throw his weight into balance in favor. Source believes, and I agree, that were it possible for British to bring themselves to discuss formula with Makarios prior to announcement, there is some hope Makarios would lend his undoubted prestige to obtaining acceptance.

He reiterated most of views expressed last December (Embtel 1823),/2/ emphasizing continually increasing Turkish intransigence
207. Telegram From the Consulate in Nicosia to the Department of State
Had interview Deputy Governor Sinclair today regarding tragic events of last three days./1/ He gave me details new severe emergency regulations enumerated Contel 388./2/ Said Turk leaders here have been extremely uncooperative, refusing government's requests urge restraint and instead, with utter cynicism, have repeated claim that Greek bomb at information center provoked Turk community. I pointed out admission Turk responsibility for later killings in words Kuchuk at Istanbul, who said Turk patriots "marched to Greek quarter killing two and wounding five" in retribution.
He not so certain of role Ankara government but there again usual pattern would indicate complicity. In reply my query his assessment Turk purpose in forcing issue to verge civil war, Sinclair said "This is their all-out bid for partition". In spite obvious discouragement local officials and seeming hopelessness of effort, HMG planning press on with new initiative June 17. I gave him some of worst FBIS transcripts Ankara radio output yesterday, pointing out that our reports were to effect public radios in various centers pouring forth these lies and inflammatory statements to masses Turks who later demonstrated as in Limassol, Ktima, Larnaca and Famagusta. Such broadcasts obviously contributed to tragedy last night's knife and shovel killings Larnaca.
In face events past few days and apparent willingness Turks go any length prove their point, do not see any hope for UK proposals unless we willing back them strongly. Utterly shameless, irresponsible manner in which Turks applying pressure here would seem call for some action our part to stop deteriorating Greek-Turk relations as well as situation on island.” http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/frus/frus ... prus2.html

With the above in mind perhaps you can understand how much the Greek Cypriots feared Turkey’s involvement in the island’s future. Rabble rousing leaders like Denktash did nothing to allay those fears, indeed must have been aware that, outnumbered four to one, that his community would get the worst of it until Turkey intervened. Denktash was willing to sacrifice his own people to realise his plan, he was the real instigator of what you refer to as ethnic cleansing.

[Viewpoint]

Was that after the GCs played the song Bekledim da Gelmedin? taunting the TCs?

[DT.]

Big Oz I'm not quite sure what your distinction between mass graves and family graves is? You asked for examples of mass graves found of GCs with small children etc and I gave you two. In those graves there numbered 20-30 dead some of them family members.

Atrocities where committed from both sides I don't think anyone doubts that. But again I don't think you listing all the mass graves of Tcs here and me listing all the mass graves of Gcs will accomplish anything other than me and you using the deaths and memory of these people to score a few points on others.

As for the other point you made, yes I remember clearly when we managed to agree on a solution! Can get that beer anytime.

Btw, some of the clips you provided speak of Makarios and his political actions such as the rejection of separate municipalities. I remember that the Tcs black mailed the country for this by refusing to vote for the tax bill thus paralysing the state. I also remember the plans the tc ministers left behind regarding leaving their positions from government and withdrawing into separate administered areas.

You can blame Makarios all you like ( I do) but without denktash bent on taksim from the 50s none of this would have happened either.

[stpier]

No wonder why this thread is much longer than the other fake one. Just like our brothers in Bosnia, we won't forget.

[DrCyprus]

No wonder why this thread is much longer than the other fake one. Just like our brothers in Bosnia, we won't forget.

Your brothers are not only in Bosnia. The whole world are your brothers, including us Gcs, and if you can't put it through your thick skull the good way we'll find a time and place to pummel it in the hard way you child.

[repulsewarrior]

No wonder why this thread is much longer than the other fake one. Just like our brothers in Bosnia, we won't forget.

Your brothers are not only in Bosnia. The whole world are your brothers, including us Gcs, and if you can't put it through your thick skull the good way we'll find a time and place to pummel it in the hard way you child.

...my point exactly, but said short and sweet.

[kimon07]

Don't feed the troll.

Whatever you want to post about the Turkish attrocities, do it in the relevant counter thread I started. Don't let this trollish Turkish propaganda tread/title spread all over the net.

Kill the bloody troll by not posting in it. This issues have been answered over and over again but they keep and they will keep coming back again and agin by the Turkish propaganda offices at regular intervals. Kill them before they spread. Answer to them with counter threads.

[Get Real!]

No wonder why this thread is much longer than the other fake one. Just like our brothers in Bosnia, we won't forget.

So how is it you have “brothers” in Bosnia?

The Ottomans were like the cuckoo which lays its eggs in other bird’s nests in the hope that the mother will raise the chick as her own. But this conniving bird’s exploitation doesn’t just stop there because the cuckoo being a physically larger chick than that of the chosen host, will also assassinate the genuine chick by pushing it off the nest at the first opportunity.

The cuckoo’s deceptive criminal act bears a striking resemblance to the behavior of the Ottomans who would leave a Muslim minority behind in countries they had previously invaded and occupied, which explains why you’ll find Ottoman remnants in places like Bosnia, Bulgaria, and Cyprus just to name a few.

Those incompatible Ottoman remnant minorities would then exploit 20th century western humanitarian laws by crying foul at the slightest attempts to streamline them into the greater population and would become the root of enormous strife in their respective victim countries including Cyprus!