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[bill cobbett]

Yes, of course the ECHR judgment in the matter of CY v. Turkey is terribly important but left out the ECHR cos although it produces an excellent body of evidence in its judgment to support a massive campaign of murder, rapes, forced dislocations, ethnic cleansing against people based on their ethnicity by the state of Turkey ... it does so (primarily) from a HR Perspective.

The subject of the thread is Genocide which comes under the ICC and the Rome Statute.

Anyways, just where is the trigger level for the ICC to act against crimes of Genocide against an ethnic grouping...???

Is it a few hundreds in tit-for-tat "inter-communal conflict"...???

Is it a few thousands in 1974...???

In the real world, on the strength of the very few cases where the ICC has dragged people before it... the intervention point is set at a pretty high level on this scale of crime, somewhere in the 10s and 100s of thousands... sadly.

[Get Real!]

Genocide......

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Hey idiot of idiots…

All conditions used to test for genocide as described by Raphael Lemkin, are referring to the NATIVES of a place and not the fucking invaders/occupiers!

Take your brain back and tell them you’re too stupid to own one!

[kentish]

so jerry "you did not" then. so what is it. whatever the percentage of tc is, what do you want for them, exactly what do they deserve in your mind. do they actually deserve anything. please let us know

As individuals they deserve exactly the same as Greek Cypriots, as a community they should behave like any other minority does in a democracy rather than use their links with Turkey to threaten Greek Cypriots.

thanks for that, they deserve exactly the same as greek cypriots then, ok when did that ever happen in the past. this is why we are in this position now , with no solution in sight. threaten greek cypriots ? do me a favour mate

[repulsewarrior]

...i don't mean to speak for Jerry, but i don't think you read his post closely enough. note that he says, "As individuals", it is as Persons, where "Greeks" become a minority, and where they have everything to fear, because Turkey has their opportunity to exploit "Turkish" fears aggresively. Cypriots, whether they are Greek or Turkish seek a Cyprus free from the influence of Interlocutors, it is pretty clear now that even the "Greeks" understand, and are adapting (through painful measures) to the corruption that evolved from an elite with too much power. the same is required from the regime in the north, although that is a bigger challenge with the occupation of the Turkish Army, and the stewardship of the "Turks" having their own Agenda.

...i imagine with the hard times that naturally follow Financial meltdown, that the Labour Movements will Unite in Solidarity toward the Universal Principals they are based on. it will be a good point to start a new debate, where Cypriots will be represented as the adversary of this "Greek/Turkish" imbroglio that is the result of a failed policy of divide and rule.

kentish, i ask you, would a Greek Constituency be the key to open new negotiations with the Turkish Constituency, (equality of Persons), given that all Cypriots will defend their Freedom (and the Liberties it provides) by supporting the Universal Principals they have as Individuals, who as Individuals represent themselves as Cypriots (and as a debate apart, as Citizens will seek to reform their Constitution); three governing bodies, not two, does this make sense to you?

[Jerry]

so jerry "you did not" then. so what is it. whatever the percentage of tc is, what do you want for them, exactly what do they deserve in your mind. do they actually deserve anything. please let us know

As individuals they deserve exactly the same as Greek Cypriots, as a community they should behave like any other minority does in a democracy rather than use their links with Turkey to threaten Greek Cypriots.

thanks for that, they deserve exactly the same as greek cypriots then, ok when did that ever happen in the past. this is why we are in this position now , with no solution in sight. threaten greek cypriots ? do me a favour mate

Threats of invasion to Greek Cypriots in 1963/4, threats to invade in 1967 resulting in Greek mainland forces leaving Cyprus, threats to the GC negotiators following the "non threatening" invasion with accept or we will occupy more of the island, threats by Denktash never to return Varosha, threats not to return Morphou after Annan Plan was rejected, threats to stop the ROC drilling for gas/oil, and of course the universal threat to agree to what is on offer now because if you don't the next offer will be worse. Enough favours mate?

"It" probably didn't happen in the past because the fact that 18% of the population could effectively overrule, or at least block, the majority was resented by Greek Cypriots. Turkey managed to screw a very good deal for Turkish Cypriots out of the departing colonial power, Cyprus was the ONLY British colony not awarded majority rule.

[Lordo]

reh charluimu i dont think you are reading what you are posting. threats to remove 11,000 greek soldiers from cyprus. what the bloody hell were they doing there. was it legal. was constitutional. like hell it was. as vp said you gave pain and reaped the reward. now take like a man and get over it.

when it comes to maras it was stolen land. now that it is right hands - justice is done.

[Jerry]

reh charluimu i dont think you are reading what you are posting. threats to remove 11,000 greek soldiers from cyprus. what the bloody hell were they doing there. was it legal. was constitutional. like hell it was. as vp said you gave pain and reaped the reward. now take like a man and get over it.

when it comes to maras it was stolen land. now that it is right hands - justice is done.

Bloody cheek, only 11,000 Greek soldiers for a few years, you have had 40,000 illegal; occupation troops for 39 years and no threats from us. Yeah Maras was stolen in the first place by the Turks so you got bad title and what about all the goods looted from Maras, estimated £20 million in just from the warehouses in 1974, and what have you done with my Dad's car left in Trigazi - Riley 4/72 reg EJG 144C.

Nothing to say about threats to oil exploration or not returning Morphou then Fredimu?

[repulsewarrior]

reh charluimu i dont think you are reading what you are posting. threats to remove 11,000 greek soldiers from cyprus. what the bloody hell were they doing there. was it legal. was constitutional. like hell it was. as vp said you gave pain and reaped the reward. now take like a man and get over it.

when it comes to maras it was stolen land. now that it is right hands - justice is done.

so, what is this, when not threats, denial? you, Lordo, can't look back and say that they were a rough lot, all of them; this must stop.

...maras you say, what's that, Famagusta is very real, you can do better than the bidding of elites who have framed the debate to suit their pocketbooks.

[Viewpoint]

Is there a minimum death toll to claim genocide?

[kentish]

nice bunch of selective and beneficial thoughts jerry. i doubt you ever lived in an enclave. methinks you are a supporter of apartheid. you probably even think serbians were hard done by. you need a reality check mate