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[GreekIslandGirl]

You're saying the whole things is a failure and yet you want to base Cyprus' freedom on it?

It's time the two issues became separated. Turkey can go where it wants. East or west. But Cyprus' freedom shouldn't have to wait for Turkey to make its mind up. The whole occupation crime has been sabotaged as a bargaining tool for whether Turkey is in favour or out of favour with the EU.

The EU should be pressing for Cyprus' freedom and an end to occupation regardless of what Turkey wants to do with its economy.

[Get Real!]

Turkey - Preparing for Chaos

Ottomans need no preparation for that.

[Get Real!]

Unconfirmed report:

In the latest of Erdogan’s foreign policy mishaps the “TRNC” may be getting renamed to the “Islamic Republic of Occupied Cyprus” (IROC).

I have no other info for now.

[Get Real!]

Here's a very serious chaos about to hit Turkey:

Is a free Kurdistan, and a new Israeli ally, upon us?

"Israel has long developed alliances with non-Arab countries on the periphery of the Middle East. Today, that policy rests on partnerships with Cyprus, Greece, Bulgaria, and Caucasian and central Asian countries. Kurdistan fits perfectly into that framework."

http://www.timesofisrael.com/is-a-free- ... y-upon-us/

[repulsewarrior]

...well said, Mr.D.

it is not ironic that the "Turkish" majority is faced with the same dilemma Greek Cypriots faced, with the prospect of being the "majority" in a Unitary State. in their case, the Kurds represent the Turkish Cypriot within their Republic. without the support of Armenians and Kurds, Ataturk would not have won; then, like now, this is denied by Kemalists (and the Islamists in Turkey). what is at issue is Humanity's definition of two Principals, that of the Person, and that of the Individual, that of the State, and that of National Identities. the seed for this discord were planted then, and repeated in Cyprus.

...thus, the need for new thought, and intent. a BBF in either case secures Individual Rights, and it provides the Liberty its Constituencies seek as equals.

if it is natural, change, choas results with the stagnation we endure from Intolerance. and since fundamental thinking remains unchanged, the chaos is a good thing; that's ironic. in any case, Turkey is, Europe's problem, whether within or without. clearly if one is positive, it is based on the fact that we can see Turkish people in the streets when it comes to it the last straw, it is revealing that all this inquietude results from cutting down a few trees.

[Oceanside50]

Erdogan in his balancing act the past 10 years, in trying to please everyone has managed to piss them all off...

[Paphitis]

Our policy is to keep Turkey's membership options open as this means we (and the EU) can exert influence over Turkey. The current situation is to our advantage. Shutting off talks altogether isn't.

I disagree. You seem to want the status quo to continue. But, it was to the advantage of Turkey; never for Cyprus. The EU cannot "influence" Turkey - give me one example if it has.

If anything is going to happen to free Cyprus, it has to be through distancing Turkey from the Western world. Only when the EU stops pretending Turkey will be considered for membership can the EU truly treat Turkey as the enemy to freedom that it is.

I agree with Oracle throughout this thread (hope she is sitting down).

She made some very valid points in this thread.

The whole EU approach is flawed and right now Turkey is being rewarded with Financial Aid to assist in completing some reforms which will be an ongoing process over the next 10 years or so. Very little pressure, if any, has been applied to Turkey with regards to Cyprus.

The message from Brussels, the way I see it, is that Turkey can sit tight in Cyprus for years until it is time to join. When that time comes, Turkey will no doubt face other obstacles from the likes of Germany and Austria. Meanwhile, Turkey milks the cash cow (EU) some of which may have come from Greece and Cyprus. Apart from rewarding the bastards, we could even be funding the occupation of Cyprus.

The EU can't be trusted and we have witnessed this already.

[supporttheunderdog]

When it comes to the Turkish situation, likewise,though I cannot see any territory being ceeded to Greece in the event of the breakup of the modern Turkisg state.

The most interesting point is that Gul, originally an Erdogan nominee, has come out with an alternative position to Erdo, namely the legitimacy of public right of peaceful protest, and with positive remarks about the EU than Erdo and his clown have come out with.

[MGCN]

When it comes to the Turkish situation, likewise,though I cannot see any territory being ceeded to Greece in the event of the breakup of the modern Turkisg state.

The most interesting point is that Gul, originally an Erdogan nominee, has come out with an alternative position to Erdo, namely the legitimacy of public right of peaceful protest, and with positive remarks about the EU than Erdo and his clown have come out with.

Setting himself up to take over AKP should Erdo fall.

[kimon07]

...well said, Mr.D.

it is not ironic that the "Turkish" majority is faced with the same dilemma Greek Cypriots faced, with the prospect of being the "majority" in a Unitary State. in their case, the Kurds represent the Turkish Cypriot within their Republic........

Correction.

The Kurds are an indigenous ancient nation which had been inhabiting the territories of Kurdistan many centuries (at least 15) prior to the arrival of the Seljuk Turks and later of the Ottomans. First mentioned by Xenophon (401 BC) in the Anabasis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabasis_(Xenophon)

Kurdistan belongs to the Kurds. The Kurds did not take over the land from the Turks as is the case with the Turkish Cypriots who inherited their lands here from the Ottomans. They are a distinct ancient nation which did not have the chance to be liberated (yet) from the Turkish occupation and oppression and which is certainly entitled to AT LEAST a constituent state within Turkey (like the on in Iraq) if not a separate independent and sovereign state which will include the Kurdish territories and populations of Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria.