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[Get Real!]

But, it doesn't change the fact that it is a false sense of security

As false as the sense of home ownership via a mortgage!

As false as the sense of being “in love” only to get divorced a year later!

As false as the sense of driving defensively only to get hit by a drunken truck driver!

As false as the sense of financial security only to have the government of Cyprus pinching your savings!

Etc, etc, etc

I think the world would be a better place if people understand there will never be an eternal life,

That's based on your assumption.

We all know that religion can be responsible for a lot of evil and bloodshed. It is the opiate of the poor. If humanity can somehow eliminate poverty, and as literacy and education levels increase, religion and other spiritual belief sistems wane.

I started out in this thread by SEPARATING God from religion for very good reasons.

You can believe in God (<-- the heavens are right in your face 24/7) without necessarily associating your belief with one of the existing religions as you don’t need a human mediator.

[Paphitis]

You don't need a home or mortgage to be above the poverty line.

I am talking about people having access to school, and higher education. It will be this that will cause a massive drop in religiosity around the globe.

And you can't seperate God from religion.


I think the examples you provide are quite irrelevant because Cypriots still have good access to descent educational institutions and literacy levels are high. I am talking about the Middle East, Africa and Latin America where millions live in appalling poverty.

[Get Real!]

And you can't seperate God from religion.

Of course you can...

"Religion is a collection of man-made attempts to access God which you need not necessarily agree with or follow"

There's nothing stopping you from believing in God without associating with any of these fools who want to act as agents or mediators.

I think the examples you provide are quite irrelevant because Cypriots still have good access to descent educational institutions and literacy levels are high. I am talking about the Middle East, Africa and Latin America where millions live in appalling poverty.

I have proven that our entire lives are based on false senses.

[Paphitis]

Your attempt to seperate God from religion is most unhelpful. Even in the days of Christ, his followers were men and Christ himself was a fallable Man.

The entire notion of seeking forgiveness will reward the believer with eternal life is flawed. In other words, it is ok to murder, rape and pillage. It is ok to treat people badly as long as you repent.

Kind of a free licence to be a bad person with a manopoly get out of jail free card if you look skywards and seek forgiveness.

You show me a population of people that look at the stars and universe like you do and identify this with God or a higher power!

[Get Real!]

Your attempt to seperate God from religion is most unhelpful. Even in the days of Christ, his followers were men and Christ himself was a fallable Man.

The entire notion of seeking forgiveness will reward the believer with eternal life is flawed. In other words, it is ok to murder, rape and pillage. It is ok to treat people badly as long as you repent.

Kind of a free licence to be a bad person with a manopoly get out of jail free card if you look skywards and seek forgiveness.

You show me a population of people that look at the stars and universe like you do and identify this with God or a higher power!

The reason atheists like your self love to link God with religion is because it gives them all the ammunition they need to denounce God but I take that away from them and it makes them upset!


But anyway, it’s VERY EASY to test the existence of God with simple common sense:

The vastness and complexity of the universe alone is enough evidence for me that a supernatural power is behind it. Period.

Note that there’s no need for me to tackle the minor religious issues you've raised (take it up with a priest) because like I said… it’s man made and has nothing to do with God.

[Get Real!]

In a nutshell, I have completely removed the flawed human mediators and have established a direct link/relationship with God.

Perfect!

[Cap]

What GR is trying to say is that the complexity of our planet did not just come about, there had to be a deliberate design of some sort.
The uniform laws of the universe are just too perfect for it to be a coincidence.

[Paphitis]

What GR is trying to say is that the complexity of our planet did not just come about, there had to be a deliberate design of some sort.
The uniform laws of the universe are just too perfect for it to be a coincidence.

That's nonsense Cap.

This watchmaker design thesis has a number of flaws whereas Science has given us a massive insight as to how the universe came to be.

[Paphitis]

Your attempt to seperate God from religion is most unhelpful. Even in the days of Christ, his followers were men and Christ himself was a fallable Man.

The entire notion of seeking forgiveness will reward the believer with eternal life is flawed. In other words, it is ok to murder, rape and pillage. It is ok to treat people badly as long as you repent.

Kind of a free licence to be a bad person with a manopoly get out of jail free card if you look skywards and seek forgiveness.

You show me a population of people that look at the stars and universe like you do and identify this with God or a higher power!

The reason atheists like your self love to link God with religion is because it gives them all the ammunition they need to denounce God but I take that away from them and it makes them upset!


But anyway, it’s VERY EASY to test the existence of God with simple common sense:

The vastness and complexity of the universe alone is enough evidence for me that a supernatural power is behind it. Period.

Note that there’s no need for me to tackle the minor religious issues you've raised (take it up with a priest) because like I said… it’s man made and has nothing to do with God.

I don't have an issue with your belief or faith. I am not trying to prove you wrong or convince you that there is no God. As long as you remain a nice person, then that is good enough for me.

I can only respect your spiritual needs and requirements. It is such a personal thing.

But you are jumping all over the place. And you called me an Atheist which is probably my fault as I self confessed it on this forum a while ago. I am pretty firm as a non believer, however I can't be a 100%, so a more true definition is Agnosticism even if so slight.

I am a scientist Get Real. I continuously learn my craft of Physics as we speak. Never stopped learning new things in a highly specialised small segment of Physics. I don't know a great deal about evolution, pre-matter or the big bang theory, but in my area of Physics, humanity has achieved extraordinary feats which are mind boggling.

I put my faith in Science because it is tangible. For me it is this that makes common sense not some unproven theories and mysticism.

That is all that matters, other than being the best person I can be towards my family, friends and strangers. I don't need some institution to tell me how to behave, what to believe in order to gain acccess to the Kingdom of God for all eternity.

[Get Real!]

This watchmaker design thesis has a number of flaws whereas Science has given us a massive insight as to how the universe came to be.

Science (read humans) is presenting you with theories (SPECULATION) but you don’t have to buy them!

Fools like Stephen Hawking can only hypothesize and write about it so he can make a good living through the sale of books. He may also throw some complex calculus in his pages to give it a “scientific” feel knowing that 99.99% of the world’s population won’t be able to test it for its relevance or accuracy anyway!

They are all shenanigans who are clueless about what’s out there but that doesn’t stop them from daydreaming and writing about their fantasies to earn a living.

Like I said before… humans must first prove themselves by solving their VERY BASIC AND PRIMITIVE earthly issues before tackling celestial matters!

You should DEMAND from them to first SOLVE that which they can touch and see to prove themselves and forget about that which they cannot reach.