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[miltiades]

GR, have you done a search on CYF "GR+Israel.
You posted hundreds of venomous attacks against this nation that now Cyprus, after many years, has discovered the benefits of having such a powerful friend. Even idiots have come to realize this including your self.

The interests of Cyprus are of prime importance ABOVE ALL ELSE. I have grandchildren and I want the best of them and all other Cypriot children and future generations. I'M WISE ENOUGH AND OLD ENOUGH TO REALIZE THAT CYPRUS NEEDS POWERFUL FRIENDS.You are old enough but blinded by hatred to realize this. Continually you posted derogatory comments on both America and Israel, post after post, you spent hours on end searching for the slightest unsavory story on either of these two nations.

Paphitis, I will desist entering into any acrimonious debate with you because I have respect for your person, you contributed generously to my efforts to raise money for the Ayios Stephanos " children" while the child caring GR did not.

Long live Israel and long may our new found friendship last.

[supporttheunderdog]

Np major conflicts since 1945?

here is a list of major political/hostile events since 1945 with over 10,000 Fatalities
1 40,000,000 Red China, 1949-76 (outright killing, manmade famine, Gulag)
2 10,000,000 Soviet Bloc: late Stalinism, 1950-53; post-Stalinism, to 1987 (mostly Gulag)
3 4,000,000 Ethiopia, 1962-92: Communists, artificial hunger, genocides
4 3,800,000 Zaire (Congo-Kinshasa): 1967-68; 1977-78; 1992-95; 1998-present
5 2,800,000 Korean war, 1950-53
6 1,900,000 Sudan, 1955-72; 1983-2006 (civil wars, genocides)
7 1,870,000 Cambodia: Khmer Rouge 1975-79; civil war 1978-91
8 1,800,000 Vietnam War, 1954-75
9 1,800,000 Afghanistan: Soviet and internecine killings, Taliban 1980-2001
10 1,250,000 West Pakistan massacres in East Pakistan (Bangladesh 1971)
11 1,100,000 Nigeria, 1966-79 (Biafra); 1993-present
12 1,100,000 Mozambique, 1964-70 (30,000) + after retreat of Portugal 1976-92
13 1,000,000 Iran-Iraq-War, 1980-88
14 900,000 Rwanda genocide, 1994
15 875,000 Algeria: against France 1954-62 (675,000); between Islamists and the government 1991-2006 (200,000)
16 850,000 Uganda, 1971-79; 1981-85; 1994-present
17 650,000 Indonesia: Marxists 1965-66 (450,000); East Timor, Papua, Aceh etc, 1969-present (200,000)
18 580,000 Angola: war against Portugal 1961-72 (80,000); after Portugal’s retreat (1972-2002)
19 500,000 Brazil against its Indians, up to 1999
20 430,000 Vietnam, after the war ended in 1975 (own people; boat refugees)
21 400,000 Indochina: against France, 1945-54
22 400,000 Burundi, 1959-present (Tutsi/Hutu)
23 400,000 Somalia, 1991-present
24 400,000 North Korea up to 2006 (own people)
25 300,000 Kurds in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, 1980s-1990s
26 300,000 Iraq, 1970-2003 (Saddam against minorities)
27 240,000 Columbia, 1946-58; 1964-present
28 200,000 Yugoslavia, Tito regime, 1944-80
29 200,000 Guatemala, 1960-96
30 190,000 Laos, 1975-90
31 175,000 Serbia against Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo, 1991-1999
32 150,000 Romania, 1949-99 (own people)
33 150,000 Liberia, 1989-97
34 140,000 Russia against Chechnya, 1994-present
35 150,000 Lebanon civil war, 1975-90
36 140,000 Kuwait War, 1990-91
37 130,000 Philippines: 1946-54 (10,000); 1972-present (120,000)
38 130,000 Burma/Myanmar, 1948-present
39 100,000 North Yemen, 1962-70
40 100,000 Sierra Leone, 1991-present
41 100,000 Albania, 1945-91 (own people)
42 80,000 Iran, 1978-79 (revolution)
43 75,000 Iraq, 2003-present (domestic)
44 75,000 El Salvador, 1975-92
45 70,000 Eritrea against Ethiopia, 1998-2000
46 68,000 Sri Lanka, 1997-present
47 60,000 Zimbabwe, 1966-79; 1980-present
48 60,000 Nicaragua, 1972-91 (Marxists/natives etc,)
49 51,000 Arab-Israeli conflict 1950-present
50 50,000 North Vietnam, 1954-75 (own people)
51 50,000 Tajikistan, 1992-96 (secularists against Islamists)
52 50,000 Equatorial Guinea, 1969-79
53 50,000 Peru, 1980-2000
54 50,000 Guinea, 1958-84
55 40,000 Chad, 1982-90
56 30,000 Bulgaria, 1948-89 (own people)
57 30,000 Rhodesia, 1972-79
58 30,000 Argentina, 1976-83 (own people)
59 27,000 Hungary, 1948-89 (own people)
60 26,000 Kashmir independence, 1989-present
61 25,000 Jordan government vs. Palestinians, 1970-71 (Black September)
62 22,000 Poland, 1948-89 (own people)
63 20,000 Syria, 1982 (against Islamists in Hama)
64 20,000 Chinese-Vietnamese war, 1979
65 19,000 Morocco: war against France, 1953-56 (3,000) and in Western Sahara, 1975-present (16,000)
66 18,000 Congo Republic, 1997-99
67 10,000 South Yemen, 1986 (civil war)

now of the 85 million dead in or from the effects of conflict how many did the USA kill?

Significantly, some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died fin fighting with Israel during the sixty years of conflict or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.

Stud these are mostly civil wars you've cited..WWII killed as many as you cited in less then 10 years...I bet if you take all that have been killed in auto crashes worldwide it would equal your list...if there weren't any nuclear weapons after WWII and the east was pitted against the west like it was during the Cold War ....and with advancement of weaponry short of nukes, what's your estimation. Of deaths in Europe Asia Africa. 2 or 3 billion? Maybe more

Yes the MAD scenario has probably stopped world war 3 between on the one side the Soviet Union and its allies and, on the other, the USA, and its allies where the main battleground would have been W Europe where again many many millions , could have died.

however One of the reasons for posting this list is to try to identify the millions each year that according to GR supposedly die at the hands of the USA. Few of the above list have any USA involvement even in so called Proxy wars. The communists have killed far more, mostly their own. 50 million.

[Paphitis]

First of all, GR lost it on his own because he let his personal feelings get in the way of common sense.

What did I lose?

As if u don't know!

Oh yeah, the imaginary Rambo who won an argument for you by disposing of the opponent.

That was too good!

Don't be ridiculous! Special Forces soldiers came up when you embarrasses yourself by showing that you do not know much about guns when I mentioned one of the most famous 9mm handguns in the world.

You then tried to cover your ignorance by telling us that the G3 is an earthmover as if to say that side arms are not necessary. I pointed out to you that they are and that many soldiers are only issued with a side arm as is the case with Pilots for instance. I also pointed out that some soldiers are capable of killing with bare hands or a mere knife even if that soldier has a G3.

But this has nothing to do with the discussion. Fact is, you are derailing because you can't answer my questions. Dropping the A Bomb is no different to ordering ground strikes nearby a civilian settlement. We are just talking about a bigger scale. But when you look at the potential cost and all the military losses and civilian loss of life, then the A Bomb begins to be a very sound option rather than extending the war for another 10 years.

Bottom line is they dropped them. War ended. Killed abiut 150,000 people as opposed to a million or 2.

And the world and all of Asia thanked America for it, including Australia.

[Paphitis]

GR, have you done a search on CYF "GR+Israel.
You posted hundreds of venomous attacks against this nation that now Cyprus, after many years, has discovered the benefits of having such a powerful friend. Even idiots have come to realize this including your self.

The interests of Cyprus are of prime importance ABOVE ALL ELSE. I have grandchildren and I want the best of them and all other Cypriot children and future generations. I'M WISE ENOUGH AND OLD ENOUGH TO REALIZE THAT CYPRUS NEEDS POWERFUL FRIENDS.You are old enough but blinded by hatred to realize this. Continually you posted derogatory comments on both America and Israel, post after post, you spent hours on end searching for the slightest unsavory story on either of these two nations.

Paphitis, I will desist entering into any acrimonious debate with you because I have respect for your person, you contributed generously to my efforts to raise money for the Ayios Stephanos " children" while the child caring GR did not.

Long live Israel and long may our new found friendship last.

Take care Milti! I was just having a joke and yes you are a good bloke!

[Get Real!]

Don't be ridiculous! Special Forces soldiers came up when you embarrasses yourself by showing that you do not know much about guns when I mentioned one of the most famous 9mm handguns in the world.

You then tried to cover your ignorance by telling us that the G3 is an earthmover as if to say that side arms are not necessary. I pointed out to you that they are and that many soldiers are only issued with a side arm as is the case with Pilots for instance. I also pointed out that some soldiers are capable of killing with bare hands or a mere knife even if that soldier has a G3.

Idiot, no such thing came up. It was just YOU all over the place trying to save face after your G20 disaster.

You are very daft to assume that a non military person like you could ever know more about guns than someone like me. In fact you’re very stupid for even mentioning guns and I pity you.

You discovered the stupid Glock on the Internet and you now think you can lecture me about that toy as if I ever cared!

Run along little man...

But this has nothing to do with the discussion.

At least you now admit wasting our time with bollocks! What took you so long SAS expert?

Fact is, you are derailing because you can't answer my questions. Dropping the A Bomb is no different to ordering ground strikes nearby a civilian settlement. We are just talking about a bigger scale. But when you look at the potential cost and all the military losses and civilian loss of life, then the A Bomb begins to be a very sound option rather than extending the war for another 10 years.

Bottom line is they dropped them. War ended. Killed abiut 150,000 people as opposed to a million or 2.

And the world and all of Asia thanked America for it, including Australia.

Read the fucking GENEVA CONVENTIONS which were SPECIFICALLY written for what you stupidly claim to have been a good idea, you ignorant and uneducated nincompoop!

[Get Real!]

You posted hundreds of venomous attacks against this nation that now Cyprus, after many years, has discovered the benefits of having such a powerful friend. Even idiots have come to realize this including your self.

Oh well I'm convinced then!

Let us go back and ERASE HISTORY of all the atrocities Israel committed because we now have a pipeline proposal on the agenda!

You shallow, despicable, disgusting old fool with an IQ of a:

BAPPOU SKATA!

[Get Real!]

however One of the reasons for posting this list is to try to identify the millions each year that according to GR supposedly die at the hands of the USA. Few of the above list have any USA involvement even in so called Proxy wars. The communists have killed far more, mostly their own. 50 million.

And what a daft little move you made!

It's based on your childish assumption that the shitty little list you found is impartial, complete, and accurate!

Go back to sleep.

[Paphitis]

Don't be ridiculous! Special Forces soldiers came up when you embarrasses yourself by showing that you do not know much about guns when I mentioned one of the most famous 9mm handguns in the world.

You then tried to cover your ignorance by telling us that the G3 is an earthmover as if to say that side arms are not necessary. I pointed out to you that they are and that many soldiers are only issued with a side arm as is the case with Pilots for instance. I also pointed out that some soldiers are capable of killing with bare hands or a mere knife even if that soldier has a G3.

Idiot, no such thing came up. It was just YOU all over the place trying to save face after your G20 disaster.

You are very daft to assume that a non military person like you could ever know more about guns than someone like me. In fact you’re very stupid for even mentioning guns and I pity you.

You discovered the stupid Glock on the Internet and you now think you can lecture me about that toy as if I ever cared!

Run along little man...

But this has nothing to do with the discussion.

At least you now admit wasting our time with bollocks! What took you so long SAS expert?

Fact is, you are derailing because you can't answer my questions. Dropping the A Bomb is no different to ordering ground strikes nearby a civilian settlement. We are just talking about a bigger scale. But when you look at the potential cost and all the military losses and civilian loss of life, then the A Bomb begins to be a very sound option rather than extending the war for another 10 years.

Bottom line is they dropped them. War ended. Killed abiut 150,000 people as opposed to a million or 2.

And the world and all of Asia thanked America for it, including Australia.

Read the fucking GENEVA CONVENTIONS which were SPECIFICALLY written for what you stupidly claim to have been a good idea, you ignorant and uneducated nincompoop!

What a disgraceful post coming from you. You had absolutely no idea what a Glock is and now you pathetically switch the tables and you are calling it a "toy" and even went as far as saying the CNG don't play with these toys!

All I said was that in expert hands, a Glock can be an assassins weapon even against a G3. Are you telling me that the CNG don't have such "toys"?

I don't need to read the Geneva Convention. It didn't even exist and the allies were looking for a swift unconditional surrender rather than continueing a war on Japanese soil. It was either this or an invasion.

The Japanese killed millions of civilians and starved and tortured our POWs to death. It is Japan that should take note not the US.

Now beat it idiot. Don't bloody talk to me about guns because quite clearly you're just a conscript that has no bloody idea.

We finished them off because they would not surrender.

While you were taught to fight with a G3, all I had was a friggin Glock and running from Australian Army infantry with Aboriginal Trackers in the Queensland rainforest with just a Glock, radio, map, compass, and rations.

[Get Real!]

I don't need to rrad the Geneva Convention.

IT'S THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS STUPID!

[Paphitis]

I don't need to rrad the Geneva Convention.

IT'S THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS STUPID!

Send it off to Tokyo with my regards and kiss my arse stupid!