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[kurupetos]

...(lol), cantons, (not like enclaves), a confederation of people who make up a Constituency representing themselves as such within their own respective National Assemblies; competing Greeks, or Turks, or others (i.e. Maronites, ...), because the Territorial Jurisdiction (not the Sovereignty) of these Constituencies is "zonal" made up of components.

...a Federation of people, who, as a Unitary State, identify each other without any other discrimination or distinction, as Individuals, are equal.

...a Federation which is Bicommunal offers its Citizens the Liberty to choose, as Persons, National identities, as well as a State, within which they can enjoy their daily lives, securing the Freedom they have because it is supreme, based on Universal Principals, and the Right, to Association, Expression, and Movement.

...another level of Governance (National Assemblies) is not anathema to the thinking which makes for a single Government and a single Identity, as Cypriots.

NO!

[repulsewarrior]

well said Paphitis.

it is curious that a person like kurupetos (or vp) do not jump at the opportunity to support a Republic of Cyprus where we as Cypriots are Free. the Liberty they demand for self-representation is served by Cypriot Constituencies, but "they" simply do not want to be equals, and neither is capable of demonstrating the Human trait of Charity, it is "their" all or nothing. what is left for the rest of us is more dialog, with the hope that their intolerance will eventually come to a natural end. war is not the answer, nor is dividing the island for a peace which is temporary because it invites war. indeed, many have not smelled war's result, they glorify it, they have had no need to bury the dead, nor do they suffer from this shame's eventuality. like you, i choose to act differently, and if it is the likes of GR, and kurupetos who are against the changes we must make within ourselves, then it is likely that they represent the same Ignorance that vp and Lordo cling to with their own denial. "this", must stop; Lest we Forget. and if we are Cypriots, being "Greek" or being "Turkish" is something else.

...Bicommunal, like Bizonal, needs a context. and to define them we must clearly define what it means to be an Individual, as well as a Person. we need to demonstrate our commitment as Human Beings, to Universal Principals, with the Freedom it offers, Cyprus and Cypriots, as Individuals, unified in this Sovereignty need a strong Federal Government to represent this State, first as stewards in this, as voters, for its betterment, equals without distinction or discrimination, not Greeks, not Turkish, but a People themselves. Liberty is not the same as Freedom, and Cyprus is not mono-clonal, as a People, it is not so far-fetched to imagine that they may choose between Cypriot Constituencies, by where they live, to be as a Person (and as tax payers) engaged in a Distinct Identity. it is why "cantons" and "enclaves" may serve the need for Justice seen, with the return of communities, not just individuals, (as the displaced). it is why many flags may fly in Cyprus, it may have no borders, and many frontiers, but its flag must fly higher.

[repulsewarrior]

i wrote this a year ago; having read all ten pages, i ask, where is kimon?

...and i suggest thaaaaaaaaaaat re-reading threads sometimes can be interesting.

[Oceanside50]

...(lol), cantons, (not like enclaves), a confederation of people who make up a Constituency representing themselves as such within their own respective National Assemblies; competing Greeks, or Turks, or others (i.e. Maronites, ...), because the Territorial Jurisdiction (not the Sovereignty) of these Constituencies is "zonal" made up of components.

...a Federation of people, who, as a Unitary State, identify each other without any other discrimination or distinction, as Individuals, are equal.

...a Federation which is Bicommunal offers its Citizens the Liberty to choose, as Persons, National identities, as well as a State, within which they can enjoy their daily lives, securing the Freedom they have because it is supreme, based on Universal Principals, and the Right, to Association, Expression, and Movement.

...another level of Governance (National Assemblies) is not anathema to the thinking which makes for a single Government and a single Identity, as Cypriots.

..a Federation which is Bicommunal offers its Citizens the Liberty to choose, as Persons, National identities, as well as a State, within which they can enjoy their daily lives, securing the Freedom they have because it is supreme, based on Universal Principals, and the Right, to Association, Expression, and Movement.

RW...when there is no adherence to the rule of law noones freedoms are secure.

[repulsewarrior]

http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/05/22/moral-case-federal-solution-compelling/

...my reply.

...indeed, Cyprus will return to being an ethnos, when, among Cypriots there is Freedom.
(whatever Liberties they have)

We can prepare to be the cross-road for three continents, or we can deny, the "osmosis'', this world, at the advent of such notions, as the EU, and the Information Age, never mind what Climate Change, has in store for us. (we speak English mostly; Greek, Turkish, Arabic, are official languages). As it is there is no "Greek Constituency", although there is the Republic, and the desire for the self-representation as Persons, of one, of a set of Cypriot Constituencies.

A Turkish Constituency may find its equals within a community of Constituencies, but it is no equal to the community which makes up the Cypriot People; there is a big difference. And while Turkish Cypriots may see the benefits in sustaining their distinct identity through self-representation as Persons, Cypriots as Individuals, also need, their self-representation to be based on Universal Principals without distinction and discrimination, where they can express this conviction in defending each other, as Cypriots, as well.

...an apology was given by Christofias, when President, for the Greek Cypriot people; it was not reciprocated. And while Mr. Akinci defeated the camp "for Turkey", being elected, "for Cyprus", I do not believe that there is one instance where he stands, in one photograph, with the Flag of Cyprus beside him; this is telling. (Is it still an issue of, what is "Turkish" and what is not "Turkish"?)

It is Turkey that needs this solution, it is Turkey (read: Erdogan) who feels s/he has the most to lose (read: win). The Cyprus Problem, in my mind is, the Turkey Problem, defining the difference between Persons and Individuals, Liberty and Freedom, State and Nation, what is wise Constitutional Reform
(; what is a BBF)?

...while Turkey's intention is to divide Cyprus, she risks having herself divided, as well;
something to think about.

cheers, Mr. Alper, enjoyed reading your piece.

...at last, minority rights are considered a topic of conversation; and with Free Movement what that means.

[repulsewarrior]

...for you MrH, you might find some value in my musings, your comments i am curious to hear.

[repulsewarrior]

what about a bizonal Federation with cantons within both zones?

Bizonal does not mean two parts, per se Ocean. Consider the USA, it is Bizonal, the States, as they are defined by themselves (as Persons), and the State, America, the whole, an Identity based on Principal (as Individuals). Bizonal is the geographic description of a People that are Bicommunal.

...if you mean in each geographic territory as Cyprus is politically described, cantons (or enclaves), this would make for interesting Constituencies, because as such, they would consist of a set of components. It is what i have suggested.

...northward, Cantons (or enclaves) not "Turk", southward Cantons (or enclaves) not "Greek". There are the Maronites, Armenians, and Latins, as well, as small as they are, who represent Cypriot Constituencies, and who deserve just as much, the same recognition and respect. Whether there exists "majorities" other than "Greek" in one zone or another, minorities will have their special needs met, in such circumstances where

...yaisou Paphitis, i imagine you reading this.