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[B25]

Guys,

We need to move forwards, we need to be separated but remain united somehow and we also need a clean break from the politics of the past to move forwards.

here is a simple BBF for your consideration;

Adjust the territories to create two federated states with a weak central government. Each federated state will manage its own affairs 100% and the weak central government will only deal with matters to do with foreign policy.

How does this sound to you?

You're going soft in the head me thinks. That's exactly what they want a weak federal government so they can then partition the northern side at will.

Nothing weak, loose or wishy washy, we need concrete plans in place otherwise we are back to 1960's and history will repeat itself.

[Maximus]

Guys,

We need to move forwards, we need to be separated but remain united somehow and we also need a clean break from the politics of the past to move forwards.

here is a simple BBF for your consideration;

Adjust the territories to create two federated states with a weak central government. Each federated state will manage its own affairs 100% and the weak central government will only deal with matters to do with foreign policy.

How does this sound to you?

You're going soft in the head me thinks. That's exactly what they want a weak federal government so they can then partition the northern side at will.

Nothing weak, loose or wishy washy, we need concrete plans in place otherwise we are back to 1960's and history will repeat itself.

Its a fair comment, I am just trying to attack the problem from another angle because it seems that neither side really wants unification. What would you propose to ensure that succession is not possible? I am suggesting a new start with weak central government to build trust and to strengthen it over time?

The Turkish army will leave, the TC federated state should give back territory along with Famagusta. They drop the "TRNC" flag, the mountain monstrosity and get the embargoes lifted. We integrate the economies and redesign a new flag for the "united" republic of Cyprus.

[Maximus]

No land back. As simple as that

You need to climb down from your tree and give back about 5 times what you agreed to in the Annan plan to put things on a even keel in this regard.

In the case of territory/property/land, the net grievance is with the GC's.

[bill cobbett]

Guys,

We need to move forwards, we need to be separated but remain united somehow and we also need a clean break from the politics of the past to move forwards.

here is a simple BBF for your consideration;

Adjust the territories to create two federated states with a weak central government. Each federated state will manage its own affairs 100% and the weak central government will only deal with matters to do with foreign policy.

How does this sound to you?

You're going soft in the head me thinks. That's exactly what they want a weak federal government so they can then partition the northern side at will.

Nothing weak, loose or wishy washy, we need concrete plans in place otherwise we are back to 1960's and history will repeat itself.

Yes... a strong central gov is vital.

...cos there are several clues to the ambitions of "trnc" in the UN doc on alleged convergences of a few weeks ago. One of the easiest to understand is the insistance of "trnc" for two separate FIRs.

What a giveaway and how silly is it to have two FIRs on a smallish island.

... but the other important aspect of the stance of the Republic (which hasn't changed in 40 years and again it's repeated in the UN Doc) is that the settlement will be based on two political admins at the zonal level but geographically it will be multi-zonal.

In the old language, a cantonal arrangement of several geographical zones under a strong central government... anything else is, or tends towards, Partition.

[Lordo]

first of all we do not need two firs, make the airport extotorial (neutral freeport) and the problem with IATA is solved. secondly gibraltar seems to have no problem using spanish fir. this is a case of control mad and refusing to accept that tcs have every right to decide for themselves whether they wish to join the roc or go it alone or join terkey.

secondly the property problem is being resolved slowly. just the other day 27 donums of larnaka land cont exchanged by 600 donums in the north near ercan airport. stupidity of the roc if they were going to buy the man out why they did not pay the money the land in the north instead of buting the land in larnaka is beyond beliefe. be that as it may - tcs will buy all the gc land in the north and there will still be land left in the south which belongs to the tcs. work that one out. you could have done a deal and get back 10% instead you have behaved like a karpasia donkey and not only lose that 10% but there will be left over land which the tc will still have.

so i propose that the tcs sell the remaining land all over cyprus and buy land in the south adjoining border and we can then adjust the border and make all tc land belong to the north. solved.

[kurupetos]

first of all we do not need two firs, make the airport extotorial (neutral freeport) and the problem with IATA is solved. secondly gibraltar seems to have no problem using spanish fir. this is a case of control mad and refusing to accept that tcs have every right to decide for themselves whether they wish to join the roc or go it alone or join terkey.

secondly the property problem is being resolved slowly. just the other day 27 donums of larnaka land cont exchanged by 600 donums in the north near ercan airport. stupidity of the roc if they were going to buy the man out why they did not pay the money the land in the north instead of buting the land in larnaka is beyond beliefe. be that as it may - tcs will buy all the gc land in the north and there will still be land left in the south which belongs to the tcs. work that one out. you could have done a deal and get back 10% instead you have behaved like a karpasia donkey and not only lose that 10% but there will be left over land which the tc will still have.

so i propose that the tcs sell the remaining land all over cyprus and buy land in the south adjoining border and we can then adjust the border and make all tc land belong to the north. solved.

You little fasist, go fuck yourself.

BTW, your imperialist plans are so silly, I have the feeling you have the brains of an 8 year old. Who's your teacher? Nutty Professor Davidoglu?

[Maximus]

this is a case of control mad and refusing to accept that tcs have every right to decide for themselves whether they wish to join the roc or go it alone or join terkey.

You have every right to decide for yourself to join Turkey but you do not have ANY right to go it alone in Cyprus or keep Turkey in Cyprus.

Deciding to join Turkey is the best option from those you have outlined so stop wasting every ones time (more so your own) and get packing.

[Demonax]

Yes... a strong central gov is vital.

...cos there are several clues to the ambitions of "trnc" in the UN doc on alleged convergences of a few weeks ago. One of the easiest to understand is the insistance of "trnc" for two separate FIRs.

What a giveaway and how silly is it to have two FIRs on a smallish island.

... but the other important aspect of the stance of the Republic (which hasn't changed in 40 years and again it's repeated in the UN Doc) is that the settlement will be based on two political admins at the zonal level but geographically it will be multi-zonal.

In the old language, a cantonal arrangement of several geographical zones under a strong central government... anything else is, or tends towards, Partition.

Yes, good post, bill. One caveat is that the original idea in the Annan Plan of 60,000 civil servants no longer looks feasible given the financial constraints of both sides. A compact federal government is the most viable outcome. Also the EU memorandum of understanding entrenches the EU acquis and EU control over every aspect of the RoC's economy - an unexpected outcome! A European solution cannot be bypassed given the extent of EU control and commitments over the island.

[Lordo]

betragullui stop looking in the mirror otherwise it will crack.

when it comes to the choices tcs have you better get used to it boys. this idea that you can decide what tcs can have is interesting. i recommend you pop into the nearest lunatic assylum in north lefkosia tell them you are suffering from control freakism and can you have a room and some medication and start with treble dosage. now there there it will all be alright. in the end.

[Get Real!]

Lordo is struggling to elevate the constipated ant.