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[Viewpoint]

Lack of trust between the two sides is the reason for demands which appear extreme but are essentially used for protection and trying to avoid the past.

[Maximus]

Lack of trust between the two sides is the reason for demands which appear extreme but are essentially used for protection and trying to avoid the past.

There are 3 sides involved at the moment.

The Greek Cypriots vs the Turkish Cypriots and Turkey vs everyone else.

[Viewpoint]

Lack of trust between the two sides is the reason for demands which appear extreme but are essentially used for protection and trying to avoid the past.

There are 3 sides involved at the moment.

The Greek Cypriots vs the Turkish Cypriots and Turkey vs everyone else.

Your point being?

[Oceanside50]

"They us"... Nice Freudian slip..I'm coming to the conclusion were all full of it too..no one wants a solution. Some greater power will impose a solution and that will be the end of that...

Theres just no trust so we deserve the situaton we have today.

I agree 40 years and the ROC hasn't prepared its citizens for any type of solution

[Maximus]

Lack of trust between the two sides is the reason for demands which appear extreme but are essentially used for protection and trying to avoid the past.

There are 3 sides involved at the moment.

The Greek Cypriots vs the Turkish Cypriots and Turkey vs everyone else.

Your point being?

I think it is an inaccuracy today to boil the issue down to one of two sides between Greek and Turkish Cypriots.

The Turkish Cypriots are more or less irrelevant (regarding their political will) because Turkey has subverted their Cypriot identity and replaced them with Turks from Turkey and loyal actors that have bought into the problem by buying Greek Cypriot property in the north. They too have usurped "TRNC" citizenship and a "right" to vote. These two dominant groups in the north (relative to the Turkish Cypriots) will always vote for a partition orientated solution. They should not even have the right to vote on a plan. The whole framework in which the negotiations are being conducted is flawed and false.

Partition benefits no one except Turkey and she has engineered the situation to be so..

[Paphitis]

The TCs must accept that more GCs were killed by TC militants, TMT and fanatics than were killed by the Turkish Army!

Captain Sakouris of Cyprus Airways lost 17 out of 21 family members. He lost his parents, sister, grand parents, uncles and aunties. They were at home when TCs attacked their residence. As they were comming out, some TCs would fire upon them. The others were round up, put up against the wall and executed, after asking their mother for all their money and jewellery. Captain Sakouri had 11 bullet wounds, including one that grazed his head. He and his brother were left for dead.

As they both lay there thinking they were going to die, the Turkish Army arrived. The Commanding Officer saw what was described as a scene from a freakish horror show. He became enraged at what he saw and began swearing in Turkish. He was reported to be so angry he began to head butt his own head on the Sakouris family house. His soldiers saw the 2 brothers badly injured. They also found their grandmother fighting for her life. They walked the boys to a nearby house controlled by the Turkish Military. They carried their grandmother as she was unable to walk. They offered medical attention to all, but sadly it was too late for the grand mother.

Fact is, if you encountered any militant TC, you were as good as dead. That includes unarmed adults, women and children. If you encountered the Turkish Army, you had a chance to survive.

Captain Sakouris is a very mild mannered and well grounded individual that has the grace to forgive so that this never occurs again.

VP and Lordo, you have nothing to gloat about!

[Maximus]

If you encountered the Turkish Army, you had a chance to survive.

Really Paphitis?

[Paphitis]

Apparently so Max according to testimonies of some survivors like Captain Sakouris.

It would be appreciated if you quote my full post in future, rather than quoting one sentence of it.

[Maximus]

Apparently so Max according to testimonies of some survivors like Captain Sakouris.

It would be appreciated if you quote my full post in future, rather than quoting one sentence of it.

Your full post is there for all to see, nothing is lost in translation.

Please provide a link to Captain Skouras testimony next time.

[Paphitis]

Apparently so Max according to testimonies of some survivors like Captain Sakouris.

It would be appreciated if you quote my full post in future, rather than quoting one sentence of it.

Your full post is there for all to see, nothing is lost in translation.

Please provide a link to Captain Skouras testimony next time.

I don't have a link Max, but at the same time, it is his account of what hapenned. I only wrote what I could remember.

Just because I have no link does not mean it is untrue. I didn't make it up.

Here is another incident that occured in Kythrea.

Some GC women were raped by TC militants. When the Turkish Army arrived, the Turkish Officer became aware somehow that GC women were raped. He went up to the women who were naturally very afraid. The Turk then began parading TCs in front of the women and asked them to finger the culprits. He told the women that he would shoot them in front of their eyes!

That was another account of certain events.