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[Paphitis]

Well the 203 were combatants in a foreign land and died for their Queen and country!

EOKA were legal combatants defending the human rights of the locals. They were the prelude to the CNG!

Collaborate, then you die! Pretty harsh, but them be the rules and everyone knew it and if not then they learn quickly!

I don't see the difference between this doctrine and organizations such as Mossad, KGB, CIA and SAS assassination teams or Drone attacks.

Wrong. EOKA killed 104 British service men, 51 police, and 238 civilians, including 203 Greek speaking Cypriots. The 203 were not foreign combatants. The 155 were a part of the then legitimate government.

The 203 had no trial, fair or otherwise.

I still hold that Eoka was an illegitimate terrorist organisation, not legal combatants. we will have to agree to differ.

Self rule was on offer in 1955 and that would have been a forerunner to independence which could have been achieved without the terrorism and the politics they threw up, including the divisive policies. if big Mak had played his cards right in 1955 he could have got one man one vote, no division along ethnic lines, And with independence he might then have been able to achieve enosis, but the Events of 1955 onwards killed that. The Eoka campaign had no point if it was to achieve independence, and it failed if it was to achieve Enosis.

You are by the way in danger of legitimising by analogy any violent action in struggles of ethnic groups for self determination hitch could extend to eg that of the TSC for self determination where Takism is arguably a legitimate point of view, provided violence is not used to force it , along with eg Scottish independence, neither of which I support bearing in mind they both involve the violation of the integrity of a nation, which in the case of Scotland and England was by a lawful union of crowns and parliament enacted by both the Scottish and English parliaments, where through inheritance the existing line of monarchs in Scotland had become the monarchs of England in 1603. James 1 of England was already James VI of Scotland.



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This maybe a bit harsh for you, but it is just the way it is.

104 British Service men killed = all illegal on this island and legitimate combatants who were killed in battle. Fair game

Not illegal but serving the then lawful government.

51 police = all collaborators to the British. When the EOKA campaign began, no Cypriot had the right to assist or collaborate with the enemy, and if they chose to do so, then they risk their lives. All 51 legitimate targets.

All doing their duty to the then legal government and martyred.
238 civilians = some legitimate targets as they collaborated with the British or worked for the British Forces in some capacity and some others were opportunistic murders from other third parties and collateral damage. Some were murdered by the British in the cross fire and blamed on EOKA in some twisted British logic which states that if it were not for EOKA then they would not be killed.

Any civilian collaborating with the British could result in more EOKA Fighters and supporters walking to the Gallows, being tortured or shot and killed by British Forces. No more than Eoka terrorsist shitbag scum who killed people deserved. A trial and hanging.

Personally, I see no issue at all. Either them or me and my mates.

Personally, I would have no hesitation in personally killing the old "Cypriot" shepherd that betrayed Gregory. People like that sign their own death certificate. If they betray once, then they will betray again.

Everyone knew the score. There can be no excuse.

Yes the Eoka killers who got hung or killed in firefights knew the score. Good riddance to killers.

Yes good riddance to imperialist scum!

Idiot!

[kimon07]

This maybe a bit harsh for you, but it is just the way it is.

104 British Service men killed......

No, no, no, no.

371 servicemen and 29 military-administration employees. That makes the round figure of 400.

Let alone colonial police (British, Turks, GC collaborators)

And like the BBC reported, more than in Iraq and Afghanistan put together.

Conclusion.

Considering that EOKA achieved one of its goals (military, I repeat, military victory over an Empire) EOKA was more effective than the tens of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan insurgents and the millions of their supporters in the Muslim world put together. Tremendous record for just 250 "back shooting" poorly equipped, poorly trained, totally isolated on a small island and totally unsupported by any outsider "cowards" I would say. Who had to fight on three fronts:

1. The British Empire.
2. The TMT (=Turkey)
3. AKEL.

Let me make myself clear Kimon!

DO NOT bloody speak to me........

F....O.....

You derailed the thread moron, at least post the correct figures and don't reproduce the colonial propaganda.

[Paphitis]

This maybe a bit harsh for you, but it is just the way it is.

104 British Service men killed......

No, no, no, no.

371 servicemen and 29 military-administration employees. That makes the round figure of 400.

Let alone colonial police (British, Turks, GC collaborators)

And like the BBC reported, more than in Iraq and Afghanistan put together.

Conclusion.

Considering that EOKA achieved one of its goals (military, I repeat, military victory over an Empire) EOKA was more effective than the tens of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan insurgents and the millions of their supporters in the Muslim world put together. Tremendous record for just 250 "back shooting" poorly equipped, poorly trained, totally isolated on a small island and totally unsupported by any outsider "cowards" I would say. Who had to fight on three fronts:

1. The British Empire.
2. The TMT (=Turkey)
3. AKEL.

Let me make myself clear Kimon!

DO NOT bloody speak to me........

F....O.....

You derailed the thread moron, at least post the correct figures and don't reproduce the colonial propaganda.

Listen here Karagioz!

You are playing "death tally scorecards" and that is bloody disrespectful, not just to the British that were killed but also to all EOKA members and the fallen, including Pallikaridi and Afxentiou! You also linked them to terrorist organizations such as Al Qaeda and what not. Stupid git!

Now beat it bozo!

[kimon07]

Yes the Eoka killers who got hung or killed in firefights knew the score. Good riddance to killers.

I repeat my question.

Is that what you think of all the thousands that died in occupied Europe fighting the Nazis? "Killers"?

[kimon07]

........including Pallikaridi......

You could at least spell the name right: PALLIKARIDES!! Like Aristides, Archimides, Evripides etc, etc.

The colonial (and AKEL) propaganda supports that EOKA killed ONLY 104 servicemen and 203 innocent Cypriots. I will never let it go unanswered.

Now, go chase a dingo or something and let the history of EOKA to be told and defended by GREEK Cypriots.

[GreekIslandGirl]

It is important we have the truth. Colonialism is sustained by propaganda.

EOKA supporters (like many pioneers of freedom) died defending people from the curse of racism which is at the very root of colonialism, with its policy of enslavement of other nations by a more "mighty" colonial power.

[kimon07]

It is important we have the truth. Colonialism is sustained by propaganda.

EOKA supporters (like many pioneers of freedom) died defending people from the curse of racism which is at the very root of colonialism, with its policy of enslavement of other nations by a more "mighty" colonial power.

It is also important not to let the propaganda of the colonialists, which is being reproduced by AKEL and the Greek communists, to keep being spread throughout the net.

They keep saying that EOKA killed 104 British servicemen and "murdered" 203 Greek Cypriot "innocent" civilians.

The truth is that during the EOKA struggle the colonial force suffered 371 servicemen, 29 colonial servants and 19 British and colonial police dead. And these are the figures of the official colonial records to which I linked in my previous posts above.

Concerning GC traitors and collaborators executed, EOKA gives a number of 90 (out of whom only 8 "leftists") and does not acept responssibility for any other intentional/ordered or approved killings of ANY OTHER civilians of ANY nationality.

See, in respect to traitors etc, the relevant part in the last par. of the announcement of the Veterans below:

Να ληφθεί υπ όψιν ότι εκτελέσθηκαν περίπου 90 άνθρωποι ως προδότες εκ των οποίων οι οκτώ ήσαν ασήμαντα μέλη της αριστεράς, δηλαδή ένα ποσοστό 9% από τους εκτελεσθέντες, οι υπόλοιποι δεν ήσαν αριστεροί. Ανήκαν σε άλλες ιδεολογίες.

http://antistasi.org/?p=27375

[supporttheunderdog]

yes and that was something which existed in Ancient times - if you read Hippocrates he went beyond simply defining and explaining the differences between people with a (pseudo) scientific reason - the climate - but then used it in the case of Eg Asiatics to decribe them as natural slaves and thus justify slavery of them.

Aristotle discussed the inherent superior nobility of the Hellenes compared to the Barbarians in terms (and thus the innate inferiority of non Hellenes) which he used to justify rule by Hellenes over Barbarians - very much what Winnie said some 2200 years or so later - coincidentally just at the time old Ari's best known pupil was conquering the known world - was Aristotle the person who gave Alexander his megalomaniac ideas or did he simply try to justify the outburst of Hellenic colonialistic imperialism, which flowed from what Alexander did, with the often forced Hellenisation of peoples, as eg prompted Jewish uprisings as they thought their Ethnos was under threat?

Rebellion against the Hellenic imperialistic/colonialistic invaders was on the basis of other comments here quite a reasonable response.

This was very much at the same time that Plato was promoting the idea of Eugenics: I do not think it matters that idea never took hold as an official government policy: the fact cannot be denied that the idea existed, very much in the form that Galton later expressed it. indeed Eugenics of a sort was being practised in Ancient Athens in terms of the policy of promoting Eugenia - or noble birth - an essentially racist policy which presupposed an innate superiority of the Athenian Genos, even over that of other Greeks - and I think Kimon07 has exposed himself as a likely racist by suggesting this was in any way desirable. The end result is could in fact be village idiot syndrome caused by excessive inbreeding within a restrictive Gene pool.

Eugenics are indeed being practiced in a restricted form in Cyprus even today, as a part of official policy, namely the eradication of Thalassemia through screening and eg abortion of likely carriers.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Don't care if I'm the first to bring this up, but stud, you sound more and more like Hitler. Confusing genetic screening with Galton's Eugenics ideology.

People do not choose partners randomly, but they select the best to mate with. Is that Eugenics in your eyes? Or natural selection playing a hand?

Was Angelina Jolie practicing Eugenics as promoted by the English Eugenics Elite when she had her boobs lobbed off because she carries a mutated gene?

Did Verlinsky develop chorionic villus sampling to help couples conceive babies free of killer diseases or to improve the race for the USA?

Do the many MS/CF sufferers who obtain genetic counselling on the NHS want to improve the race of Anglo-Germanics? Or avoid another human born simply to suffer from their own condition?

And who are today's pioneers of designer babies?

Connor, a healthy baby boy, has made history. He is the first child to be born after his parents had the entire genomes of a batch of their IVF embryos screened for abnormalities, with the intention of picking the healthiest for implantation.

The technique could increase the number of successful pregnancies from IVF. And although the researchers stopped short of actually sequencing the boy's genome, the advance is proof that this could be done – potentially ushering in an era of designer babies.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... d0RMvm7IXs



Aristotle's ethics? Yes the Greek philosophers were pioneers in debating ethics.

STUD - you simply have no common sense!

[Paphitis]

........including Pallikaridi......

You could at least spell the name right: PALLIKARIDES!! Like Aristides, Archimides, Evripides etc, etc.

The colonial (and AKEL) propaganda supports that EOKA killed ONLY 104 servicemen and 203 innocent Cypriots. I will never let it go unanswered.

Now, go chase a dingo or something and let the history of EOKA to be told and defended by GREEK Cypriots.

It IS Pallikaridi when you say it in Cypriot you silly git.

You are a complete disgrace to their name. It just goes to show that you have never served your country and have absolutely no idea!

The EOKA Association of Fighters will disapprove of your type of "support".

Now bugger off!