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[Paphitis]

STUD,

really sorry but Britain did not cover itself in glory.

I don't have time to discuss, but British Forces did the folowing:

1) they went house to house and there were many reports of unprovoked assaults and depravity,
2) they tortured many Cypriot Men and Women who they accused of being EOKA members. Some died due to their injuries! Clear case of Murder in anyone's language. And yes they were all innocent as no Kangaroo Court convicted them of anything,
3) they executed a minor for possession of a pistol that could not fire even. This minor never killed a soul and that is a fact.
4) EOKA was fighing for self determination in Cyprus which is a basic Human Right of the UN Charter which the UK accepts and recognizes.

It seems the Brits were more than capable of terrorism.

Do you know where the term Kangaroo Court came from?

You are being disgusting right now STUD and you do owe Cypriots an apology for this disrespect!

[GreekIslandGirl]

STUD,

really sorry but Britain did not cover itself in glory.

I don't have time to discuss, but British Forces did the folowing:

1) they went house to house and there were many reports of unprovoked assaults and depravity,
2) they tortured many Cypriot Men and Women who they accused of being EOKA members. Some died due to their injuries! Clear case of Murder in anyone's language. And yes they were all innocent as no Kangaroo Court convicted them of anything,
3) they executed a minor for possession of a pistol that could not fire even. This minor never killed a soul and that is a fact.
4) EOKA was fighing for self determination in Cyprus which is a basic Human Right of the UN Charter which the UK accepts and recognizes.

It seems the Brits were more than capable of terrorism.

Do you know where the term Kangaroo Court came from?

You are being disgusting right now STUD and you do owe Cypriots an apology for this disrespect!

Finally, you deserve a bravo, Paphitis.

Even now the court cases are being prepared against GB for the torture and imprisonment of many Cypriot civilians (including pregnant women). The MP Hague has been forced to make a statement on recognizing and for no longer denying the cruel practices (since some secret documents have gone public) that went on during colonial rule in Kenya and Cyprus.

[supporttheunderdog]

STUD,

really sorry but Britain did not cover itself in glory.

I don't have time to discuss, but British Forces did the folowing:

1) they went house to house and there were many reports of unprovoked assaults and depravity,
2) they tortured many Cypriot Men and Women who they accused of being EOKA members. Some died due to their injuries! Clear case of Murder in anyone's language. And yes they were all innocent as no Kangaroo Court convicted them of anything,
3) they executed a minor for possession of a pistol that could not fire even. This minor never killed a soul and that is a fact.
4) EOKA was fighing for self determination in Cyprus which is a basic Human Right of the UN Charter which the UK accepts and recognizes.

It seems the Brits were more than capable of terrorism.

Do you know where the term Kangaroo Court came from?

You are being disgusting right now STUD and you do owe Cypriots an apology for this disrespect!

I agree what much of what was done was completely improper and if you will read what I wrote I have already identified beatings up, and sexual assult (and do so unreservedly) as well as the torture and beatings up, and the deaths as a result of that torture, all of which I have condemned.

I have however already stated that I am not going to apologise for these events. Let those who were involved do so.

As for Evgoras Pallakarides according to some sources he was believed to have been involved in the murder of a priest, the Abbot of the Chrysoroyiatissa.

[Paphitis]

STUD,

he was hanged on suspicion and the alleged murder was all falsified propaganda to justify his murder by the Kangaroo Court.

He was condemned from the outset and the family would really appreciate that he and others have their wrongful convictions overturned. Calling this palikari a terrorist is most disrespectful to ALL Cypriots.

We take solace in the fact that now he is immortal and has his rightful place as a hero to be respected and remembered by our people forever. That can never be taken away.

Please, there is no shame in visiting his village and go to his house, now a museum owned by the RoC, to learn his history from his very descendants who are the caretakers. Should you go, I will ensure they give you a good a proper insight on who he was.

There is probably no better person for the Cypriot people to look up to along with a few others that had the same fate as him and along with Gregory Afxentiou! May they all RIP!

[supporttheunderdog]

STUD,

he was hanged on suspicion and the alleged murder was all falsified propaganda to justify his murder by the Kangaroo Court.

He was condemned from the outset and the family would really appreciate that he and others have their wrongful convictions overturned. Calling this palikari a terrorist is most disrespectful to ALL Cypriots.

We take solace in the fact that now he is immortal and has his rightful place as a hero to be respected and remembered by our people forever. That can never be taken away.

Please, there is no shame in visiting his village and go to his house, now a museum owned by the RoC, to learn his history from his very descendants who are the caretakers. Should you go, I will ensure they give you a good a proper insight on who he was.

There is probably no better person for the Cypriot people to look up to along with a few others that had the same fate as him and along with Gregory Afxentiou! May they all RIP!

Did the 203 get any sort of trial?

[Paphitis]

Well the 203 were combatants in a foreign land and died for their Queen and country!

EOKA were legal combatants defending the human rights of the locals. They were the prelude to the CNG!

Collaborate, then you die! Pretty harsh, but them be the rules and everyone knew it and if not then they learn quickly!

I don't see the difference between this doctrine and organizations such as Mossad, KGB, CIA and SAS assassination teams or Drone attacks.

[supporttheunderdog]

Well the 203 were combatants in a foreign land and died for their Queen and country!

EOKA were legal combatants defending the human rights of the locals. They were the prelude to the CNG!

Collaborate, then you die! Pretty harsh, but them be the rules and everyone knew it and if not then they learn quickly!

I don't see the difference between this doctrine and organizations such as Mossad, KGB, CIA and SAS assassination teams or Drone attacks.

Wrong. EOKA killed 104 British service men, 51 police, and 238 civilians, including 203 Greek speaking Cypriots. The 203 were not foreign combatants. The 155 were a part of the then legitimate government.

The 203 had no trial, fair or otherwise.

I still hold that Eoka was an illegitimate terrorist organisation, not legal combatants. we will have to agree to differ.

Self rule was on offer in 1955 and that would have been a forerunner to independence which could have been achieved without the terrorism and the politics they threw up, including the divisive policies. if big Mak had played his cards right in 1955 he could have got one man one vote, no division along ethnic lines, And with independence he might then have been able to achieve enosis, but the Events of 1955 onwards killed that. The Eoka campaign had no point if it was to achieve independence, and it failed if it was to achieve Enosis.

You are by the way in danger of legitimising by analogy any violent action in struggles of ethnic groups for self determination hitch could extend to eg that of the TSC for self determination where Takism is arguably a legitimate point of view, provided violence is not used to force it , along with eg Scottish independence, neither of which I support bearing in mind they both involve the violation of the integrity of a nation, which in the case of Scotland and England was by a lawful union of crowns and parliament enacted by both the Scottish and English parliaments, where through inheritance the existing line of monarchs in Scotland had become the monarchs of England in 1603. James 1 of England was already James VI of Scotland.



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[kimon07]

Wrong. EOKA killed 104 British service men..............

This is a lie of the colonial propaganda and you know it. You know it well because I am sure you have visited the memorial erected in 2009 in occupied Kyrenia by the British government in memory of the 371 British SERVICEMEN who died during the EOKA struggle.

Can Cyprus overcome its bloody history?
By Chris Summers
BBC News

More British soldiers were killed during the "Cyprus emergency" in the 1950s than have died in Iraq or Afghanistan. So why has it been forgotten and what hope is there of reuniting the island?

The British High Commissioner laid a wreath on behalf of the Queen
On Remembrance Sunday, about 500 relatives and veterans watched as a new memorial was unveiled in Kyrenia, in Turkish-occupied northern Cyprus, to recognise the 371 British servicemen who lost their lives on the island between 1956 and 1959.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8321765.stm

AND:

The British Cyprus Memorial Book

bcm_book.jpg

The British Cyprus Memorial Book in remembrance of the 371 British servicemen who lost their lives in Cyprus 1955-1959 is now online and you can access it by going to http://www.cyprusmemorialbook.com.
The names are listed in alphabetical order.
The full roll
http://www.britishcyprusmemorial.org/roll

P.S. Wonder why the memorial was erected in the occupied Kyrenia and not, lets say, in one of the BB areas? Brothers in Arms with the TMT and the Turkish Army I suppose and all that heh?

[kimon07]

Wrong. EOKA killed .........and 238 civilians........,

To this, you probably include the 35 British "civilians who were killed during the same period. Well, this is another lie of the colonial propaganda.

29 of these "civilians" were not at all civilians. They were employees of the military or the administrative colonial services and were connected with the British Armed Forces. Only 6 were civilians (the mother murdered in Famagust, a wife killed in the attack of husbands car, the 17 year old son of a serviceman, a news corespondent and an employee of the American embasy killed due to mistaken identity and the doctor at the mines of Amiantos. Grivas denied and condemned the murder of the mother in Famagusta as well as the murder of the doctor. In the latter case the shooter of the doctor was later executed by EOKA.

CIVILIANS CONNECTED WITH THE ARMED FORCES
Civilian and police entries marked with a * indicate they are buried in the British Cemetery. Kyriacos Matsis St., Nicosia.
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cypru ... OH.htm#civ

[kimon07]

I still hold that Eoka was an illegitimate terrorist organisation, not legal combatants. we will have to agree to differ.

And I suppose you think the same way about all the members of the resistances in Greece, France, Yugoslavia, Russia etc who fought against the Nazi occupation forces during WW? And I suppose you justify the "punishments" and the retaliations affected by the Nazi forces against the civilians in those countries after each anti Nazi operation right?