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[Paphitis]

Very interesting!

Bottom line is that everyone is racist, including non whites. People just discriminate against others that are different. Human nature.

As for my self, I am resigned to the fact that I am EXTREMELY racist against anything that is not Cypriot and that includes other ethnicities such as Greeks and Australians as they are inferior to say the least!

[kimon07]

What absolute rubbish!

The Brits never forced anyone to deny their anything, and if anything......

Like I said: Better stay in your playroom MAXX.

Brits mulled propaganda comics to sway teen EOKA rebels
By Arj Singh Published on November 30, 2012
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/alan-lennox- ... s/20121130
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COLONIAL officials in Cyprus considered producing adventure comic books and running an essay competition in a propaganda bid to stop young Greek Cypriots rebelling against British rule, previously secret government files have revealed.
Schoolchildren threw petrol bombs, caused disturbances and regularly went on strike from school during the mid-1950s as they sided with the nationalist EOKA movement for "Enosis" - union with Greece - the Foreign Office files revealed.
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The secret files contained an extract from one of the unnamed commissioner's letters, which read: "Schoolchildren have been used as a weapon in the nationalist campaign and it is therefore at them that government propaganda should particularly be aimed.
"Here again, crude propaganda against Greece is useless. The aim should be again to shift the focus off Greece - not necessarily on to Britain but to a broader, more international, outlook.

"This might be done by commissioning a firm in England, if necessary, to print weekly comics with Greek and English captions using adventure stories and the exploits of explorers, etc. as material."
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In a letter to a Mr Papadopoulos, he wrote: "The enemy (NOTE: EOKA) thought it was worthwhile to run an essay competition for schoolchildren on 'Why I want Enosis'. Would it be too crude if we were to take a leaf out of their book and offer a really handsome prize for essays on 'Why I don't want Enosis', suitable precautions being taken to preserve the anonymity of the authors?"
Mr Papadapoulos said the idea was "frivolous" but recommended an alternative essay - "The Advantages of Self-Government".

P.S. 1. All this is happening in 1956 prior to bringing the Turks into the game.
P.S. 2 I pray to God that EOKA found out on time (before the struggle was over) about the activities and the real identity of this “Mr. Papadopoulos” traitor.

[Get Real!]

In hindsight pursuing “Greekness” of any kind (be it in the form of “enosis” or other maneuvers) proved to be anti-Cypriot, pro-Turkish, and thus utterly disastrous beyond any reasonable doubt with catastrophic ramifications that have kept Cyprus bogged down for at least half a century that we know of.

The correct course of action was to hang in there with the British until 1960 when the international decolonization laws came into effect in which case liberation was Cyprus’ right and without the need to cede any British bases.

End of story!

As for characters like Kimon and his ramblings in this day and age… all I’m gonna say is that I hope we NEVER cross paths for he risks getting head butted all the way to the dentist.

[kimon07]

I am very well aware of the sins of the European empires including the British Empire.......I will heartily condemn them however I will not apologize for the sins of others over whom I had no control.

It would be stupid of any one to expect you to apologize or even condemn them when you have already applauded and justified them by posting, a few months ago, that, "whether I liked it or not" the colonial rule in Cyprus was the legitimate rule of the time and that therefore, the executions of EOKA fighters by the colonial authority were justified and legal. For this YOU HAVE TO apologize. And by wishing that prominent EOKA leaders, including Grivas and the late president T. Papadopoulos would rot in hell, and by calling, in many occasions, the EOKA fighters as "back shooting murderers and thugs"

P.S. A prominent Greek professor of Law (Stathopoulos) asked about the "anti racist law" debate that has been going on for some months in Greece, said that what should be poenalized is not the denial or the doubting of genocides and atrocities, but their praising. If you know what I mean.

[Paphitis]

Well Kimon, it has been proven that the British were not silly in offering Self Government to Cyprus like they did in other colonies rather than ENOSIS which would have been a disaster and no doubt bring Turkey into the fold.

It just goes to show that the Brits did not have an agenda against Cyprus per se, and I for one would rather have the Brits in Cyprus than to endure the current status quo bought upon us by enemies Greece and Turkey!

When will you stop prostituting yourself silly boy?

Become a man and be a ferocious Cypriot neo Nationalist and fight the Greek cowards until they regain their long lost honour due to defeatism and the arch enemy Turkey until she leaves the island forever!

There is no honour in Greece's cowardice. In fact it is only right to ridicule them because they make the current Status Quo acceptable! When will they issue their Cassus Belli? Don't bloody tell me that Greece is not strong enough!

If Australia came under attack by another country, then I guarantee you that it's alleged "mother" country will come from the otherside of the world to defend it as a "mother" should, yet Greece is no where to be seen when it comes to Cyprus!

Mothercountry my arse!

If Greece wants glory, then it has to lay it on the line otherwise I spit on them a nice flemmy one to boot!

[kimon07]

Back to our topic shall we?

As was expected and foreseen, some insist that racism is ancient. But is it really? Did the ancient civilizations separate humans to superiors and inferiors and did they use this fictitious separation in the way modern Europeans did?
The answer is no. The truth is that racism, as we know it and as some of us felt it, either as "subjects" of a colony or as early immigrants to countries like Australia, England and the US "is a persistent legacy of the transatlantic slavery" (see below).

Lets have some feed back on this:

International Socialist Review

Issue 26, November–December 2002

Slavery and the origins of racism
by Lance Selfa
http://www.isreview.org/issues/26/roots_of_racism.shtml

IT IS commonly assumed that racism is as old as human society itself. As long as human beings have been around, the argument goes, they have always hated or feared people of a different nation or skin color. In other words, racism is just part of human nature.
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Fortunately, racism isn’t part of human nature. The best evidence for this assertion is the fact that racism has not always existed.
Racism is a particular form of oppression. It stems from discrimination against a group of people based on the idea that some inherited characteristic, such as skin color, makes them inferior to their oppressors. Yet the concepts of “race” and “racism” are modern inventions. They arose and became part of the dominant ideology of society in the context of the African slave trade at the dawn of capitalism in the 1500s and 1600s.
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From time immemorial?

The classical empires of Greece and Rome were based on slave labor. But ancient slavery was not viewed in racial terms. Slaves were most often captives in wars or conquered peoples. If we understand white people as originating in what is today Europe, then most slaves in ancient Greece and Rome were white. Roman law made slaves the property of their owners, while maintaining a “formal lack of interest in the slave’s ethnic or racial provenance.” Over the years, slave manumission produced a mixed population of slave and free in Roman-ruled areas in which all came to be seen as “Romans.”5 The Greeks drew a sharper line between Greeks and “barbarians,” those subject to slavery. Again, this was not viewed in racial or ethnic terms, as the socialist historian of the Haitian Revolution, C.L.R. James, explained:
[H]istorically it is pretty well proved now that the ancient Greeks and Romans knew nothing about race. They had another standard—civilized and barbarian—and you could have white skin and be a barbarian and you could be black and civilized.6
More importantly, encounters in the ancient world between the Mediterranean world and black Africans did not produce an upsurge of racism against Africans. In Before Color Prejudice, Howard University classics professor Frank Snowden documented innumerable accounts of interaction between the Greco-Roman and Egyptian civilizations and the Kush, Nubian, and Ethiopian kingdoms of Africa. He found substantial evidence of integration of black Africans in the occupational hierarchies of the ancient Mediterranean empires and Black-white intermarriage. Black and mixed race gods appeared in Mediterranean art, and at least one Roman emperor, Septimius Severus, was an African. Snowden concluded: ……………..

Racism after slavery

The close connection between slavery and capitalism, and thus, between racism and capitalism, gives the lie to those who insist that slavery would have just died out. In fact, the South was more dependent on slavery right before the Civil War than it was 50 or 100 years earlier. Slavery lasted as long as it did because it was profitable. And it was profitable to the richest and most “well-bred” people in the world.

Slave production was inefficient from the point of view of industrial capitalism. The comparison between the industrial North and the Confederacy illustrates this. As capitalism developed it had less need to use slave labor. In Britain in the 18th and 19th centuries, for instance, representatives of some the biggest industrial capitalists called for an end to the slave trade and even abolition. This wasn’t because industrial capitalists opposed slavery on principle, but because they didn’t like the degree to which planters won government policies favorable to them. In 1807 and 1833, the British Parliament passed laws outlawing slavery.28
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Racist ideology was also refashioned to justify imperialist conquest at the turn of the last century.

As a handful of competing world powers vied to carve up the globe into colonial preserves for cheap raw materials and labor, racism served as a convenient justification. The vast majority of the world’s people were now portrayed as inferior races, incapable of determining their own future. Slavery disappeared, but racism remained as a means to justify the enslavement of millions of people by the U.S., various European powers, and later Japan.

And:

Racial discrimination

http://www.understandingslavery.com/ind ... Itemid=225

Transatlantic slavery also left behind a legacy of racism and other forms of Eurocentrism. Those in the African diaspora and on the African continent found themselves victims of racial discrimination and prejudice, which took a variety of forms.

In the United States, those of African origin were legally declared second-class citizens, forced to accept segregated through Jim Crow laws and often subject to discrimination and racist violence. It took many years of agitation and thousands of deaths before the struggles of the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s changed both laws and conditions.

Africans were also discriminated against by colonial laws, which were based on the racist premise that they were incapable of governing themselves or developing their own land and resources. The most infamous racist regime in Africa, however, was founded on the system of apartheid that was introduced to independent South Africa in 1948. Again, it was only after many heroic sacrifices that it was finally defeated in 1991.

In Britain, too, racism has been a feature of life for centuries. Even in the 20th century, a widespread colour bar existed in accommodation, the armed forces and even boxing – nobody of African origin was permitted to fight for a British title before 1948. Laws against racism were introduced only in 1965. However, hate crimes and institutional racism, such as has been highlighted in the Stephen Lawrence case in 1993 are reminders that racism is a persistent legacy of the transatlantic slavery.

[kimon07]

As for characters like Kimon and his ramblings in this day and age… all I’m gonna say is that I hope we NEVER cross paths for he risks getting head butted all the way to the dentist.

I too like zivania. But I always take care not to drink myself stupid. Its so embarrassing!!

[Paphitis]

Kimon,

you're making a fool of yourself demonizing the Brits when all along Cyprus was taken on a ride from the 50s onwards by Greece even though it was NEVER prepared to lay everything on the line when it came to the crunch!

Let's be very frank. The Brits are NOT responsible for racism. Racism always existed. In fact, even their empire was a velvet one. They were responsible for far more good than bad in most areas with only a couple of notable and bloody exceptions. In Kong Kong for instance, the Brits are much loved. In fact, the HK Chinese would dearly love for HK to become a British possession once again, and they would be only happy to raise the British Union Jack.

Only in Cyprus were we brainwashed to hate them even though they never oppressed us or harmed us and even though they would have granted all our wishes in good time and without a bloody conflict. But we were brainwashed about 'eleutheria" and democracy. I ask you if you like the kind of 'eleutheria' we have now? 200,000 people not being able to return to their homes does not sound like 'eleutheria' to me.

Despite the high stakes antics which we were brainwashed to engage in, Greece has never stood by us. I mean never. That makes Greece a pretty hopeless "mother" if you ask me.

Britain on the other hand is far better, and always willing to accept responsibility and protect its colonies if necessary. I have no doubt that Australia's 'mother' (Britain) will never abandon her. I mean never. It fact Britain was very nurturing. Unlike Greece. So once again, please tell me who it is that has benefited most from thousands of years of Hellenic Civilisation? Greece of today or Britain?

It really is a no brainer to me.

Having said all this, my family has always been in the thick of it. It was extremely active fighting the British in the 50. The poetry that was written is immortal, but the person we lost was not.

There really is only one way. A rampant Cypriot nationalism because that is all Cyprus can rely on at this point in time. Greece is AWOL!

[supporttheunderdog]

I am very well aware of the sins of the European empires including the British Empire.......I will heartily condemn them however I will not apologize for the sins of others over whom I had no control.

It would be stupid of any one to expect you to apologize or even condemn them when you have already applauded and justified them by posting, a few months ago, that, "whether I liked it or not" the colonial rule in Cyprus was the legitimate rule of the time and that therefore, the executions of EOKA fighters by the colonial authority were justified and legal. For this YOU HAVE TO apologize. And by wishing that prominent EOKA leaders, including Grivas and the late president T. Papadopoulos would rot in hell, and by calling, in many occasions, the EOKA fighters as "back shooting murderers and thugs"

P.S. A prominent Greek professor of Law (Stathopoulos) asked about the "anti racist law" debate that has been going on for some months in Greece, said that what should be poenalized is not the denial or the doubting of genocides and atrocities, but their praising. If you know what I mean.

FUCK EOKA.. The so called EOKA heroes were a bunch of cowardly murderous scum who lacked any sort of honour for back shooting unarmed women in the street.

[Paphitis]

I am very well aware of the sins of the European empires including the British Empire.......I will heartily condemn them however I will not apologize for the sins of others over whom I had no control.

It would be stupid of any one to expect you to apologize or even condemn them when you have already applauded and justified them by posting, a few months ago, that, "whether I liked it or not" the colonial rule in Cyprus was the legitimate rule of the time and that therefore, the executions of EOKA fighters by the colonial authority were justified and legal. For this YOU HAVE TO apologize. And by wishing that prominent EOKA leaders, including Grivas and the late president T. Papadopoulos would rot in hell, and by calling, in many occasions, the EOKA fighters as "back shooting murderers and thugs"

P.S. A prominent Greek professor of Law (Stathopoulos) asked about the "anti racist law" debate that has been going on for some months in Greece, said that what should be poenalized is not the denial or the doubting of genocides and atrocities, but their praising. If you know what I mean.

FUCK EOKA.. The so called EOKA heroes were a bunch of cowardly murderous scum who lacked any sort of honour for back shooting unarmed women in the street.

Appalling STUD!

You should know better than that! You are stooping low right now...