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Postby Michael » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:32 pm

bg_turk wrote:I do not want to intrude into your discussion of designing a national strategy to defeat the "occupation" but don't you think it would be much better if you tried to act more constructively and concentrate your efforts into finding a solution, rather than defeating the other side.



Well you just have, and in a very patronising tone. I don’t thing we need lessons on constructive action from yourself. Of course, you do have our best interests at heart. What exactly is your interest in this forum? I am still at a loss why you parade around with the Union Jack? Don’t wish to “rain on your parade”, but as the song goes “their aint no black in the Union Jack”.


Of course Lysi you’re quite right, but some self restraint is in order. Those Greek Cypriots that keep popping over to the occupied areas have a lot to answer for. As for developers that are found to be selling Greek property over there, they should be prosecuted and thrown in jail to rot for a very long time. It is about time that these crossing points are closed.
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Postby cypezokyli » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:52 pm

Michael wrote:
bg_turk wrote:I do not want to intrude into your discussion of designing a national strategy to defeat the "occupation" but don't you think it would be much better if you tried to act more constructively and concentrate your efforts into finding a solution, rather than defeating the other side.



Well you just have, and in a very patronising tone. I don’t thing we need lessons on constructive action from yourself. Of course, you do have our best interests at heart. What exactly is your interest in this forum? I am still at a loss why you parade around with the Union Jack? Don’t wish to “rain on your parade”, but as the song goes “their aint no black in the Union Jack”.


Of course Lysi you’re quite right, but some self restraint is in order. Those Greek Cypriots that keep popping over to the occupied areas have a lot to answer for. As for developers that are found to be selling Greek property over there, they should be prosecuted and thrown in jail to rot for a very long time. It is about time that these crossing points are closed.


1. why dont you just reply to the argument, and instead your accusinf the person that wrote it ?

2. as i ve said a number of times i go to the north. what do i have to answer for ?

3. could you imagine, the concequences of clossing the crossing points ? just out of curiosity...
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Postby Michael » Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:17 pm

Why as a Greek, would you want to go to the occupied areas and support an illegal regime? I am sickened when I see Greeks lunching at restaurants in Kyrenia and elsewhere. What incentive do Turks have to negotiate if we are subsidising them night and day. It is insane. I have said this before and I say it again, Greeks that fraternise in the clubs and pubs of the occupied area, are at best treacherous. And at worst, well I leave you to fill in the blanks.
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Postby Michael » Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:25 pm

The mistake was opening the crossing at the start. It was obvious that the illegal regime was in trouble. Dentktash and his cronies opened the crossing knowing full well the economic boon that it would bring to his regime. Well bravo, it certainly has. Not only do Turks cross the “border” every morning for wages that they only dreamed about, but we compound our woes by showering them with cash. It is too late to close the border. But the act of crossing should be made so difficult as to effectively deter anyone that does.
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Postby cypezokyli » Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:33 pm

when i go to the north i do it to visit friends. cypriot friends, but as i assume the word "cypriot" is out of your vocabulary. since when is meeting with friends , or cypriots high treason ?

we didnot open the "border". from our side it was always open. tcs could always come to the south and work - so to put that in the reasons that it is now open , is the least wrong.

you seem kind of arrogant with the economic achievements of our side. but, i am afraid to inform that the north is catching up at increasing rates. and blaming the gcs who cross the border is the least absurd.

i asked you again, what are the concequences of closing or making it difficult ?
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Postby Michael » Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:59 pm

I think the facts speak for themselves. The R.OC GNP 21 000 (USD), the illegal occupied areas 7135 (USD). Even that meagre achievement by the Turkish Cypriots is more than insanely subsidised by the Greek money.
You should be asking the question of what are the benefits of leaving the border open. Absolutely none! Not one jot. Their have been absolutely no benefits to the R.O.C. The crossing question is finished. That flood gate was opened and now they won’t let us close it .The sword of Damocles hangs over this country, with the slightest excuse for the Americans and British to stir trouble. But some self restraint from Geeks is urgently needed. Tougher restrictions on crossing, do not employ Turkish Cypriots, do not cross the border. If the Americans and British want to pump money into that black hole, it’s up to them. If Turkey is any example, they might be better advised just flushing it down the toilet.

On a personal note, the well being of this country is tad more important than social life of any one individual.
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Postby cypezokyli » Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:05 pm

close the "borders" , and lets who you are going to convince that we represent all cypriots.
close it, if you have the guts.
close it, and watch partition realising...that is if we care.


on a personal note, the well being of this country, will improve only when nationalism is severely reduced.
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Postby Michael » Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:25 pm

What do you mean, if we have the guts? Is that what a solution is based on, threats?
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Postby bigfatlondonboy » Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:36 pm

michael pray tell ,how much land have you personally lost to the invasion..
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Postby Michael » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:10 pm

bigfatlondonboy wrote:michael pray tell ,how much land have you personally lost to the invasion..


Good gods, what sort of person are you?
My patriotism is not dependent on material gain. It isn’t swayed or bought on the amount of acreage I may or I may have not lost. I square inch of my Country that has been illegally occupied is a tragedy. Do you find that a difficult moral to grasp?
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