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Re: Hellenic Intolerance towards Jews

Postby kimon07 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:18 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:[indeed you seem to be throwing the strop at the suggestion that Greeks could have done such things, and in falsely blaming the English for inventing antisemitism you demonstrate both your racist prejudice against the English and your ignorance of history.

here is a list of events, upto 1190.......


Interesting list indeed, about the crimes committed against the Jews and the antisemitism performed by the Romans, Christian emperors, Christian clergy etc, etc. Now lets have some examples of antisemetic practices OF THE GREEK WORLD prior to the establishment of the Roman empire shall we?
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Re: Hellenic Intolerance towards Jews

Postby kimon07 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:28 pm

Cap wrote:
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Cap wrote:Where you been Kimon?



Bit busy (glad to say).


Glad to hear it! :D


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Re: Hellenic Intolerance towards Jews

Postby kimon07 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:16 am

Paphitis wrote:OK! So there appears to be no real good reason why there seems a disproportionate level of prejudice towards Jews by Greeks.


What made you come to the conclusion that there is such a prejudice by Greeks? Your imaginary barber/philosopher?

Does anyone have anything valid to say why Jews should be demonised?


You know what I think? I think that, apart from being an anti Greek racist, you are also an anti semitist racist. But, being a coward as well, you are trying to trick others, who may be sharing your anti semitic views, to come forward with various arguments supportive of your antisemitism.
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Re: Hellenic Intolerance towards Jews

Postby kimon07 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:33 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:(Apart from Kissinger), Jews and Greeks have a mutual respect going back to biblical times. The Jews have a saying that the only ones who can outwit them are Greeks. Praise indeed. :)

I've never met an antisemitic Greek but the world is a little more wary now, not of ordinary Jews, but the ultra-rich bank-owning sector behind the current banking crisis.

Antisemitism really started with the medieval English.

Shakespeare created the idea of the mean moneylender Jews; Shylock who demanded his 'pound of flesh'.


Your racism is getting the better of you. .......


The ultimate irony. The masters of modern racism and slavery (see the history of the British colonies) to be accusing the victims of their racism as racists.
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Re: Hellenic Intolerance towards Jews

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:48 pm

kimon07 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:OK! So there appears to be no real good reason why there seems a disproportionate level of prejudice towards Jews by Greeks.


What made you come to the conclusion that there is such a prejudice by Greeks? Your imaginary barber/philosopher?

Does anyone have anything valid to say why Jews should be demonised?


You know what I think? I think that, apart from being an anti Greek racist, you are also an anti semitist racist. But, being a coward as well, you are trying to trick others, who may be sharing your anti semitic views, to come forward with various arguments supportive of your antisemitism.


I don't seem to remember you! :?

You must be confused. :?
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Re: Hellenic Intolerance towards Jews

Postby kimon07 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:29 pm

Paphitis wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:OK! So there appears to be no real good reason why there seems a disproportionate level of prejudice towards Jews by Greeks.


What made you come to the conclusion that there is such a prejudice by Greeks? Your imaginary barber/philosopher?

Does anyone have anything valid to say why Jews should be demonised?


You know what I think? I think that, apart from being an anti Greek racist, you are also an anti semitist racist. But, being a coward as well, you are trying to trick others, who may be sharing your anti semitic views, to come forward with various arguments supportive of your antisemitism.


I don't seem to remember you! :?

You must be confused. :?


Any progress with your Cypriot Imperium Get Smart? Or are you still in the era of the trollish and anti Greek racist posts you had started in that "down under" short lived forum about a year ago?
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Re: Hellenic Intolerance towards Jews

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:07 pm

kimon07 wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:[indeed you seem to be throwing the strop at the suggestion that Greeks could have done such things, and in falsely blaming the English for inventing antisemitism you demonstrate both your racist prejudice against the English and your ignorance of history.

here is a list of events, upto 1190.......


Interesting list indeed, about the crimes committed against the Jews and the antisemitism performed by the Romans, Christian emperors, Christian clergy etc, etc. Now lets have some examples of antisemetic practices OF THE GREEK WORLD prior to the establishment of the Roman empire shall we?


I think I already pointed out that the earliest known examples of anti-semitic writings originated in Alexandria in about 200 BC, which was a part of the Hellenistic period in Egypt when ruled by the Ptolemies, or has Alexandria a suddenly stopped being a part of the ancient Hellenistic world?

BTW I have no disagreement at all with "g"IG in describing Shakespeare's portrayal of Shylock as being racist: by that time the Jews were well known as money lenders, and his depiction was no doubt a reflection of existing Stereotypical characterisations. Christopher Marlowe had an equally unlovable Jewish Character in his play the Jew of Malta. Nor do I deny that there was anti semitism in Britain the in the middle ages, eg massacres in England at Norwich and York, in 1190, and the later persecutions in 1275 and expulsion in 1290. My sole objection to GiG's comment was her racist remark that the English invented anti-semitism, when it had existed for centuries, being official imperial policy at times in the Eastern Roman Empire (also claimed to be Greek) and where it was was rife all over Europe, with massacres of Jews in Germany during the time of the Crusades.
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Re: Hellenic Intolerance towards Jews

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:27 pm

Paphitis wrote:Now, not all Greeks are intolerant towards Jews so it is important to avoid generalisations.

Sadly, I have noticed a disproportionate number of Greeks with prejudices against this group of people.

I remember going to a particular old Greek barber, and just about every single time he would say things like "the Jews are responsible for all the world's ills". I just sat there nodding my head thinking how bizarre! But I never argued with the old codger. Greeks are damn stubborn, and I couldn't be bothered dwelling in such negativity and also thought I must change barbers.

I hear things like that a lot coming from Greek people. Never would you hear such things from the more cultured Aussies!

But I am quite curious as we do see this type of mentality on this forum from the likes of Yialousa and Kurupetos who is working on his WMD project! :lol:

Why the hate against the Jewish People? Is there something historically significant between the 2 peoples which in my opinion is still no excuse?

Is it biblical? Does it come from our Religious Leaders? It seems that a lot of this intolerance stems from religious people as well, or so I have noticed.

Can someone please explain... :?

To return to the original post, I do not think there is any rational way to account for the irrational views of Kurupetos, and Yialoser, but with their proclaimed allegiance to a party like Golden Shower the founder of which / leader of is an avowed admirer of Hitler and the Nazi party, along with is pale and pathetic imitation, ELAm, that they should follow the execrable antisemitism which was the hallmark of Nazism should come as no surprise.

I personally do not judge Greeks or Cypriots as a whole by them.
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Re: Hellenic Intolerance towards Jews

Postby kimon07 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:48 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
I think I already pointed out that the earliest known examples of anti-semitic writings originated in Alexandria in about 200 BC, which was a part of the Hellenistic period in Egypt when ruled by the Ptolemies, or has Alexandria a suddenly stopped being a part of the ancient Hellenistic world?


OK, let me put the debate back on its rail.

The intention behind this trollish and slanderous thread is to prove that the Greek people are intolerant towards the Jewish Nation (this group of people as the troll calls them) and/or that they demonize them. Source of the troll? His imaginary Greek barber in Australia.

To support the point of the slanderous troll, you refer to a couple of “writings” of a couple of Greek authors of the Hellenistic era, (who were allegedly providing false information about the religious practices of the Jews) and based on these two “writings” (which you characterize as "antisemitic" and you put them next to numerous unspeakable atrocities committed by European “Christians”) you conclude (or imply) that the Hellenistic world in its entirety were…. anti-Semitic.

Once again, I will let the Jews speak up for the Greeks, ancient and modern.

Jewish Virtual Library

Report on Treatment of Greek Jews
(May, 1943)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... erep6.html
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Some of the Jewish Communities in Greece, like those of Chalcis, Janina, Arta, and Corfu, are very ancient. Their origin is lost in antiquity.For instance, amongst the ruins of Delos, the sacred island of Ancient Greece, reputed to have been the birth place of Apollo and a great centre of worship throughout the pagan ages, the remains of the Synagogue are still to be seen.
The modern Community of Salonica, the largest in Greece, is a settlement of Spanish Jews who fled there from the persecutions of Isabella of Castille and Ferdinand the Catholic. They still speak amongst themselves a Spanish dialect in which many archaic forms of language were preserved, and many of them had Judaeo-Spanish names. Ever since Greece recovered her independence by conquest in 1830, the laws of the Kingdom have granted full civil and social rights to the Jews of Greece. At no time have these rights been denied or questioned, and at no time have the Greek people allowed themselves to be reached by any of the successive waves of anti-Semitism which have periodically swept over Europe; in fact, anti-Semitism is entirely unknown in Greece and entirely alien to the national character. Neither had the Jews, during domestic controversies, some of which have been extremely acute, been made as in so many other countries, scape-goats for public misfortunes. This is all the more remarkable because the Jews in those parts of Greece which were most recently united to the Kingdom (Salonica, for instance), although completely assimilated as far as the national consciousness and the actual participation in the nation's life are concerned (they were always represented in Parliament by Jewish members), have been entirely free to retain their own dialect, a form of Judaeo-Spanish which they speak amongst themselves, and their own customs.
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Re: Hellenic Intolerance towards Jews

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:17 pm

kimon07 wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:(Apart from Kissinger), Jews and Greeks have a mutual respect going back to biblical times. The Jews have a saying that the only ones who can outwit them are Greeks. Praise indeed. :)

I've never met an antisemitic Greek but the world is a little more wary now, not of ordinary Jews, but the ultra-rich bank-owning sector behind the current banking crisis.

Antisemitism really started with the medieval English.

Shakespeare created the idea of the mean moneylender Jews; Shylock who demanded his 'pound of flesh'.


Your racism is getting the better of you. .......


The ultimate irony. The masters of modern racism and slavery (see the history of the British colonies) to be accusing the victims of their racism as racists.

many European nations had slave based empires including the Portuguese, Spanish, French, British, and Belgians.
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