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[cypezokyli]

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I would be greatful if those comments were deleted

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in any case that dream died in 1974 i dont how many times i have to write that.

What are you talking about? Cypezokyli, sometimes I wonder who you learn your history from.

The Enosis dream died WAY before 1974...The Enosis dream died around the time GC got used to the idea that they had been screwed over in signing the terms for their SO CALLED independance. EOKA B really had no affiliation with the majority of GC and were backed by Americans who wanted to throw any left of centre administration out of power, for fear of turning communist. They did with this with Makarios, because they thought he might strengthen politcal friendship with Russia at the time (God knows why TC choose to dislike Makarios, but I suppose he WAS a GC leader and they have all been brainwashed to dislike such a person), they did the same with Jamaica in the 70's because they thought Jamaica and Cuba may strengthen ties...and they also did the same with Chile and helped put Pinochet in power.

As for appologising for Enosis...why should we applogise for longing to join with other culturally Greek lands, when Britain clearly showed no let up in giving GC the democratic right to choose what they want...and Turkey having a constant eye on wanting Cyprus. Even Ataturk before he died said Turks should reconquer Cyprus and Faizal Kucuk set up his political parties in the mid 1950's called 'Cyprus is Turkish'.

Did you expect us to lie back and carry on being oppressed for ANOTHER 500 years? or fight for what we wanted. How many times have we had GC on this sight admitting to wrongdoings but TC not doing the same? WHY THE FUCK are you apologising for the older generation who tried to make life BETTER FOR YOU!!! Why arent there ANY TC admitting to their part in the run up to intercommunal violance? You know why, the same reason why they tried to hide the Armenian genocide, because they are ignorant and dont want to hear the truth.

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Will you at least make an attempt to read before you comment. Did you see the date on that quote? It was to put you right about the thread we were talking about but you seem to have an attention deficit disorder.

Again explain...because I agree with the Cyprus Conflict website 100%...so im guessing you do the same? Or do you only agree with the parts you want to beleive?

Is that why you chose the name main source. You give solely your own biggoted version of events and no evidence what so ever. Should change your name to Not Credible.

My 'biggoted' version of events are inline with the website you quoted from. I suggest you read the website in full.

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[cypezokyli]

good that those comments were removed.


hey mainsource

The Enosis dream died WAY before 1974...The Enosis dream died around the time GC got used to the idea that they had been screwed over in signing the terms for their SO CALLED independance

u really think so?
when did they got use to that idea? 1960? or a little bit later?

God knows why TC choose to dislike Makarios

makarios was no virgin mary. makarios biggest mistakes (if u really believe he was completely innocent) was that he tolerated or chose to close his eyes to actions of his close allies which were at times directed clearly against the tcs. besides makarios himself never accepted the power sharing, which if i were a tc i could perfectly understand why they didnt like him.

As for appologising for Enosis...why should we applogise for longing to join with other culturally Greek lands, when Britain clearly showed no let up in giving GC the democratic right to choose what they want

apologise because in the process of enosis we compltely ignored or attacked the tcs. dont get me wrong on this. i never said that if i lived back then i would be in a position to think differently. most probably i would have also supported enosis. viewing history from 2005 it seems wrong.

Did you expect us to lie back and carry on being oppressed for ANOTHER 500 years?

oppressed from who?

How many times have we had GC on this sight admitting to wrongdoings but TC not doing the same?

i completely disagree on you on this one. everytime a gc apologised so did a tc. the problem is that everytime a gc admited (not apologised) for the crimes of our community it was then followed by an answer of the kind: But you did more.

WHY THE FUCK are you apologising for the older generation who tried to make life BETTER FOR YOU!!!

what did they achieve? they got a so-called-independance as you call it, and they gave a divided country.

dont think that i consider the tc leaders or community as innocent. their stupidity was equally great as ours. still, i believe we are a lot to blame, and if we manage to admit that ,if we accept that if we acted differently at some points in the past we could have avoided the division, then perhaps we can realise that it is in our hand to solve the problem and continue in the future. if we continue this turkish fault, american fault, english fault, we will never learn from our mistakes. never

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u really think so?
when did they got use to that idea? 1960? or a little bit later?

Do you want a specific time sponsored by Acurist?

makarios was no virgin mary. makarios biggest mistakes (if u really believe he was completely innocent) was that he tolerated or chose to close his eyes to actions of his close allies which were at times directed clearly against the tcs. besides makarios himself never accepted the power sharing, which if i were a tc i could perfectly understand why they didnt like him.

When was this? Do you beleive Makarios being behind the original EOKA struggle, which may have meant assasinationg TC that were working under the British police meant he tolerated attacks against the general TC community? Do you have any clear evidence that Makarios wanted Enosis from say any time after 1963? Wasnted it EOKA B that wanted to assasinate Makarios because he oposed union with the military Greek government? so can you tell me which of his allies he closed his eyes to and when?...and which power sharing are you talking about? u mean a rigid 30% power share of government for an 18% community, which even went into civil service employment? Do YOU think that is fair? That a TC should get a job over a GC to simply make up the numbers and not on the ability to fulfil that role?



apologise because in the process of enosis we compltely ignored or attacked the tcs. dont get me wrong on this. i never said that if i lived back then i would be in a position to think differently. most probably i would have also supported enosis. viewing history from 2005 it seems wrong.

apologise because in the process of enosis we compltely ignored or attacked the tcs. dont get me wrong on this. i never said that if i lived back then i would be in a position to think differently. most probably i would have also supported enosis. viewing history from 2005 it seems wrong.

There werent any random attacks on innocent TC before the 1963 inter communal clashes. Like the Cyprus Conflict website says, EOKA attacked British colaborators who happend to be TC...the TC community chose to see this as an attack on there community. How about the killings of GC in TC villages int he late 50's too? You dnt mention this do you? You stupidly seem to think the violance was all one way. To understand the Enosis struggle then you have to put your mindset in what was going on THEN and not compare it to times now. The Enosis idea is completely dead but back then it was the only root of liberation for GC after 500 years of oppression...and im proud that someone wanted to fight for my freedom. If you ask me if I want Enosis now then the answer is a flat no.

oppressed from who?

Bit of a stupid question isnt it? Do you know the history of Cyprus?

completely disagree on you on this one. everytime a gc apologised so did a tc. the problem is that everytime a gc admited (not apologised) for the crimes of our community it was then followed by an answer of the kind: But you did more.

Youve been on this website for 5 mins compared to others. I've NEVER seen a TC admit to their community having as much to blame for the ill feelings between the two communities...but I have seen many Greeks admit to and apologise for the wrong doings of Samson / Grivas etc.

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what did they achieve? they got a so-called-independance as you call it, and they gave a divided country.

dont think that i consider the tc leaders or community as innocent. their stupidity was equally great as ours. still, i believe we are a lot to blame, and if we manage to admit that ,if we accept that if we acted differently at some points in the past we could have avoided the division, then perhaps we can realise that it is in our hand to solve the problem and continue in the future. if we continue this turkish fault, american fault, english fault, we will never learn from our mistakes. never

WHO gave a divided country!? WHO KEEPS THE COUNTRY DIVIDED FAR LEFT KNUCKLE HEAD!? YOU CANT EVEN DISTINGUISH BETWEEN EOKA AND EOKA B AND YOU THINK THE 1950's AND 1960's/70's IN CYPRUS WERE THE SAME!? WTF DO YOU LEARN FROM!?

OF COURSE WE CAN ACCEPT THE MISTAKES GC HAVE MADE IN THE PAST BUT YOU SEEM TO THINK GC CREATED FAR MORE MISTAKES THEN THEY DID!? YOU HAVE NO GRASP ON THE HISTORY OF MY HOME, OR THE HISTORY OF TURKISH EXPANSIONISM, OR THE HISTORY OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE OR HENRY KISSINGER AND THE CIA!!

SHUT UP AND DO SOME REAL REASEARCH!!!

[cypezokyli]

thank you for your nice words.
i was called a fascist as well FAR LEFT KNUCKLE HEAD before.
i was about to answer to your first post but the second made me understood that you are right and i am wrong.
i really wish that your attitude will bring a solution we all hope for this island.

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my atitiude is about being realistic and using common sense...not to seem over apologetic to seem 'different' or go with some kind of political route in my opinions.