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[Piratis]

Are you sure that you were born in the 60s and what you say is not simply the propaganda that was fed to you by the ones who performed ethnic cleansing in Cyprus and are now trying to excuse their crimes and illegalities? I would be surprised if you are that old since you sound like a 14 year old.

If you are indeed that old then it is really sad for you. (and calling me old would be wrong as well).

Hey Piratis, take it easy old fella, you are showing your anger!

You are the one who is showing anger and this can be seen from the number of swear words you have used. Except of course if this level of civility is considered as normal for people like you.

When was I racist against the Greeks?

Don't you support the racist illegal actions of Turkey and the pseudo "TRNC"? Don't you support the separation of Cypriots based on their race? Don't you make negative conclusions about a whole race based on what a small minority of people have done several decades ago? Don't you support the violation of the human rights of people simply because they belong to a certain race? Don't you support ethnic cleansing, which was the means of creating the "TRNC"?

There are many racists. However most of them are just talking. You are the kind that supports racist actions such as ethnic cleansing. You belong to the worst kind of racists.

Oh and just wanted to let you know that the pound I won was an old English Pound Note not a coin. I'm off to get a frame for it tomorrow it'll look good on the mantel piece with and explanation of how I won it.

Congratulations. I wish you many more imaginary victories (since you don't seem to be able of winning anything real in your life)

[zan]

Piratis

I was born in 1960 and was nearly killed in 1964 along with my entire family.

Just because you keep repeating your little sound bites they will not turn into truth you know. The Internet is full of facts about the real events and the sequence of them occurring. Most of them are true to what I remember and saw on the news. It was British television that was broadcasting news of EOKA terrorists. Since then a systematic distortion has been perpetrated all over the world. The practise of burning books in order to change the perception of history is no longer achievable. As quickly as it is destroyed, it can be written again. I can find you a load of it if you want to go back to that sort of warfare again.

By the way I agree with you on the one thing that we probably will agree on and that is about religion. Except that I would allow people the right to practise.

[Main_Source]

so what about the TMT terrorists that would use minerets to mount heavy machine gun and shoot at GC that went by.

as for British television...well you really think the news back then would broadcast in a fair or unbiased light?

[zan]

so what about the TMT terrorists that would use minerets to mount heavy machine gun and shoot at GC that went by.

"In the autumn of 1954 the Greek prime minister, Field Marshal Papagos, who had been personally offended by Eden's dismissive treatment of the case for enosis (in a conversation in Athens in September 1953), and Archbishop Makarios both gave the go-ahead to Grivas who, in hiding in Cyprus, had called his underground organization EOKA (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston, National Organization of Freedom Fighters) and himself 'Dighenis' to launch a campaign of sabotage. On 1 April 1955 the transmitters of the Cyprus Broadcasting Station were blown up and a series of simultaneous, but less effective, explosions took place across the island. The revolt had begun*."

when a Turkish policeman was killed by EOKA the Greeks saw a policeman fall, the Turks saw a Turk. In January 1957, for instance, a Turkish Cypriot auxiliary was killed and three wounded by a bomb when guarding a power station; a Turkish Cypriot crowd smashed a number of Greek shops. Ten days later there was similar trouble in Famagusta. On 27 and 28 January 1958, there were two days of serious rioting by thousands of Turkish Cypriots in Nicosia leading to pitched battles with British forces at the end of which seven Turks were dead. This was a clear sign of the rise of a Turkish para-military organization, the TMT (Turk Mudafa Teskilat-- Turkish Defence Organization) and the loss of confidence by the Turkish Cypriots in the durability of Britain's stand against the Greeks.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/narrative-main.htm

Check the dates. OR did you want them to lay down and have thier bellies tickled?????

as for British television...well you really think the news back then would broadcast in a fair or unbiased light

I wouldn't expect any thing less from you

[Main_Source]

What did the dates prove? Only what I stated, while we were trying to rid ourselves of more foreign rule...the TC sided with the British. Infact, the only time EOKA killed a TC was when they were working for the British police. The same as a GC would get killed if they were working for the British.

What are you trying to say here....in efect, you are agreeing with me.

[zan]

We vehemently protest against this [pro-enosis] representation as we have always done in the past. We believe that if Cyprus were annexed to Greece there would be no chance of life for the Moslems in Cyprus. We know that the Greeks are in the majority in Cyprus, but there are many other countries in the world similar to Cyprus which are being administered by foreigners in spite of the fact that the majority of the people belong to another race. As is known to you, there is no principle in international law providing for the annexation of every country to the country which is homogeneous to it. Therefore I am surprised that my honorable Greek colleagues feel able to base this claim on international law. It would be possible to benefit the island much more if the question of union were set aside and of all the members of the Council were united in the taking of measures calculated to promote the development and progress of the country . . . . The divergent national feelings and sentiments prevailing in the island would make impossible the administration of justice in the island.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/TC-reaction-1930.htm

Cause and effect. I have already quoted the one thing that I agree with and that was Piratis not you

[Main_Source]

but there are many other countries in the world similar to Cyprus which are being administered by foreigners in spite of the fact that the majority of the people belong to another race

can you give me a list of these countries and the siuation they are in.

The rest of that quote I dont really agree with at all...and we ahd every right to join with Greece instead of being ruled by foreigners.

[cypezokyli]

hey zan
the dream of enosis as the history has proven was wrong, for the simple reason that it took no consideration of our tcs compatriots. dont forget that the period u r reffering to is 50 years old. ofcource people wanted enosis simply due to the education, the church and the whole history at the time.
it was wrong , apologies.
i wouldnt use generalisations for EOKA. even though it was lead by a nationalist and some tcs suffered, there were some people who died in the fight against the english.
in any case that dream died in 1974 i dont how many times i have to write that.
.....
2005..... gcs dont want union with greece anymore.
what i cannot understand is that we need to accuse each other concerning the past, instead of just apologising and learning from it, and try to avoid doing the same mistakes in the future.

as i said to vassos1 in another thread, saying u killed tcs in 1955-74 sounds the same as: you came here as conquerors in 1571. i was born in 1982, and i dont know how many more times i have to apologise for the mistakes that the older generations of this island made. the problem with all this discussions on who started first and who did the most is that they dont help us in looking at the future.

[zan]

can you give me a list of these countries and the siuation they are in.

Source
Will you at least make an attempt to read before you comment. Did you see the date on that quote? It was to put you right about the thread we were talking about but you seem to have an attention deficit disorder.

The rest of that quote I dont really agree with at all...and we ahd every right to join with Greece instead of being ruled by foreigners.

Is that why you chose the name main source. You give solely your own biggoted version of events and no evidence what so ever. Should change your name to Not Credible.

[zan]

hey zan
the dream of enosis as the history has proven was wrong, for the simple reason that it took no consideration of our tcs compatriots. dont forget that the period u r reffering to is 50 years old. ofcource people wanted enosis simply due to the education, the church and the whole history at the time.
it was wrong , apologies.
i wouldnt use generalisations for EOKA. even though it was lead by a nationalist and some tcs suffered, there were some people who died in the fight against the english.
in any case that dream died in 1974 i dont how many times i have to write that.
.....
2005..... gcs dont want union with greece anymore.
what i cannot understand is that we need to accuse each other concerning the past, instead of just apologising and learning from it, and try to avoid doing the same mistakes in the future.

as i said to vassos1 in another thread, saying u killed tcs in 1955-74 sounds the same as: you came here as conquerors in 1571. i was born in 1982, and i dont know how many more times i have to apologise for the mistakes that the older generations of this island made. the problem with all this discussions on who started first and who did the most is that they dont help us in looking at the future.

Said the same thing mate a hundred times but SOME people keep saying well who started it. It was the TCs and I'm afraid that only sets off the teacher in me.