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[supporttheunderdog]

As is so common one has the blame game with the usual suspects of CF pointing the finger at various other usual suspects about eg events in Greece in 1967 and those in Cyprus in 1974, and in particular with the various conspiracy theories involving the USA and UK.

there are however a number of Academic papers which seek to challenge the cherished views of some, which are worth at least reading.

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/europeanInstitute/research/hellenicObservatory/pdf/3rd_Symposium/PAPERS/CONSTANDINOS_ANDREAS.pdf
http://www.academia.edu/2343038/British_Non-Intervention_in_the_Cyprus_Crisis_of_1974
http://www3.nd.edu/~dlindley/handouts/US%20role%20in%20Cyprus%20Crises.pdf

Already I can forsee the usual abusive response of some to those who seek to challenge their particular close- minded world view: the shoot the messenger scenario, which as usual relies more on abuse of the author to try to carry the day, without actually producing objective argument.

The third is a real peach, suggesting as it does that the events of 1974 were NOT part of some grand plan by Kissinger. see p 43 onwards...the authors claim to have seen and used recently released items, which O'malley and his co-author did not have access to.

The entire document might be a CIA piece of disinformation, it might not be, I pass it and the others on as read and without responsibility for the accuracy,.

btw a subscription to the Academia site is free....

[repulsewarrior]

The only thing you could do is run away from Cyprus ... like your parents did. You couldn't do jack shit more so stop pretending to know something better. We at least stayed in Cyprus and kept our language and our ethnicity... we didn't run away to become "Australians".

...and what is it that a Greek does to be "Greek"? and whether you are Greek, "Greek", or not, what does this have to do with being Cypriot? i love Cyprus, i was born Greek (but from a, i spit on the notion, "mixed village"), Cyprus is not "Greek", it may be Greek by the sheer magnitude of numbers, but a closeness to the land defines us as this island's dwellers (our villages and our trees), as such Cyprus is and should be a Cypriot State; a Greek state (actually) is better defined through a Constituency, and it is what makes the Bicommunal Principal so attractive, (free in their "Greekness" to exchange as Greeks toward others), having clear and deliniated territorial jurisdiction (which could include enclaves; read my manifesto) if defined Bizonally so that Maronites, Latins, and Armenians, as well as Turks, have the equal opportunity toward sustaining the living relics of Cyprus' past, present, and future .

Cyprus, regretfully (since it is the most obvious solution), for all the reasons we go on and on about, cannot be a Greek State.

[Sotos]

As is so common one has the blame game with the usual suspects of CF pointing the finger at various other usual suspects about eg events in Greece in 1967 and those in Cyprus in 1974, and in particular with the various conspiracy theories involving the USA and UK.

there are however a number of Academic papers which seek to challenge the cherished views of some, which are worth at least reading.

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/europeanInstitute/research/hellenicObservatory/pdf/3rd_Symposium/PAPERS/CONSTANDINOS_ANDREAS.pdf
http://www.academia.edu/2343038/British_Non-Intervention_in_the_Cyprus_Crisis_of_1974
http://www3.nd.edu/~dlindley/handouts/US%20role%20in%20Cyprus%20Crises.pdf

Already I can forsee the usual abusive response of some to those who seek to challenge their particular close- minded world view: the shoot the messenger scenario, which as usual relies more on abuse of the author to try to carry the day, without actually producing objective argument.

The third is a real peach, suggesting as it does that the events of 1974 were NOT part of some grand plan by Kissinger. see p 43 onwards...the authors claim to have seen and used recently released items, which O'malley and his co-author did not have access to.

The entire document might be a CIA piece of disinformation, it might not be, I pass it and the others on as read and without responsibility for the accuracy,.

btw a subscription to the Academia site is free....

Yes dog... why should we shoot the messenger when we know it is a complete coincidence that you are British and you are trying to excuse the crimes of your country in Cyprus If the Anglos are so innocent then how about a referendum in Cyprus at Akrotiri and Dhekelia so Cypriots can decide if they want the British bases or not ... like the referendums you do in Falklands and Gibraltar to show how supposedly democratic and respectful of the locals you are! The subject of "Dictatorships and hypocrisy" fits perfectly with the case of the British bases in Cyprus!!

[Paphitis]

As is so common one has the blame game with the usual suspects of CF pointing the finger at various other usual suspects about eg events in Greece in 1967 and those in Cyprus in 1974, and in particular with the various conspiracy theories involving the USA and UK.

there are however a number of Academic papers which seek to challenge the cherished views of some, which are worth at least reading.

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/europeanInstitute/research/hellenicObservatory/pdf/3rd_Symposium/PAPERS/CONSTANDINOS_ANDREAS.pdf
http://www.academia.edu/2343038/British_Non-Intervention_in_the_Cyprus_Crisis_of_1974
http://www3.nd.edu/~dlindley/handouts/US%20role%20in%20Cyprus%20Crises.pdf

Already I can forsee the usual abusive response of some to those who seek to challenge their particular close- minded world view: the shoot the messenger scenario, which as usual relies more on abuse of the author to try to carry the day, without actually producing objective argument.

The third is a real peach, suggesting as it does that the events of 1974 were NOT part of some grand plan by Kissinger. see p 43 onwards...the authors claim to have seen and used recently released items, which O'malley and his co-author did not have access to.

The entire document might be a CIA piece of disinformation, it might not be, I pass it and the others on as read and without responsibility for the accuracy,.

btw a subscription to the Academia site is free....

Thanks for the resources Stud!

[Oceanside50]

As is so common one has the blame game with the usual suspects of CF pointing the finger at various other usual suspects about eg events in Greece in 1967 and those in Cyprus in 1974, and in particular with the various conspiracy theories involving the USA and UK.

there are however a number of Academic papers which seek to challenge the cherished views of some, which are worth at least reading.

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/europeanInstitute/research/hellenicObservatory/pdf/3rd_Symposium/PAPERS/CONSTANDINOS_ANDREAS.pdf
http://www.academia.edu/2343038/British_Non-Intervention_in_the_Cyprus_Crisis_of_1974
http://www3.nd.edu/~dlindley/handouts/US%20role%20in%20Cyprus%20Crises.pdf

Already I can forsee the usual abusive response of some to those who seek to challenge their particular close- minded world view: the shoot the messenger scenario, which as usual relies more on abuse of the author to try to carry the day, without actually producing objective argument.

The third is a real peach, suggesting as it does that the events of 1974 were NOT part of some grand plan by Kissinger. see p 43 onwards...the authors claim to have seen and used recently released items, which O'malley and his co-author did not have access to.

The entire document might be a CIA piece of disinformation, it might not be, I pass it and the others on as read and without responsibility for the accuracy,.

btw a subscription to the Academia site is free....

Yes dog... why should we shoot the messenger when we know it is a complete coincidence that you are British and you are trying to excuse the crimes of your country in Cyprus If the Anglos are so innocent then how about a referendum in Cyprus at Akrotiri and Dhekelia so Cypriots can decide if they want the British bases or not ... like the referendums you do in Falklands and Gibraltar to show how supposedly democratic and respectful of the locals you are! The subject of "Dictatorships and hypocrisy" fits perfectly with the case of the British bases in Cyprus!!

thats the point Sotos, the British will not allow such a referendum for the bases nor will they allow one for Gibraltor. This is how foreign affairs are conducted, if you can be unfair and cheat and steal and kill etc...etc.. then you gain..and survive..think of it as the law of the jungle.

[supporttheunderdog]

And Sotos and Oceanside50 have just shown what ignorant bigoted narrow minded people they are, when unable to respond in substance they play the race card and otherwise try to avoid the issues.

Just as I predicted would occur when someone is challenging their world view. Not one shred of rational argument.

For the record I have always advocated that a Cyprus solution must involve dissolution of the SBA.

[Sotos]

And Sotos and Oceanside50 have just shown what ignorant bigoted narrow minded people they are, when unable to respond in substance they play the race card and otherwise try to avoid the issues.

Just as I predicted would occur when someone is challenging their world view. Not one shred of rational argument.

While what you did was post some links you found online and add the disclaimer "without responsibility for the accuracy" ZERO rational arguments and ZERO substance from you!

[halil]

And Sotos and Oceanside50 have just shown what ignorant bigoted narrow minded people they are, when unable to respond in substance they play the race card and otherwise try to avoid the issues.

Just as I predicted would occur when someone is challenging their world view. Not one shred of rational argument.

For the record I have always advocated that a Cyprus solution must involve dissolution of the SBA.

These Guys always ingnors the Turkish Cypriots factor in Cyprus....without our saying everything is NILL....everything will be solve out with the Cyprus solution agreement...and this will be done by the signature off the TC's ....do not under estimate this fact....also to say or decide anything about the SBA will need agreement between UK, Greece and Turkey....put it in your minds....not only you the Greek Cypriots will decide....we have to say YES as well.....and this YES or NO will be depend on the Cyprus solution agreement between all parties.

[Paphitis]

And Sotos and Oceanside50 have just shown what ignorant bigoted narrow minded people they are, when unable to respond in substance they play the race card and otherwise try to avoid the issues.

Just as I predicted would occur when someone is challenging their world view. Not one shred of rational argument.

While what you did was post some links you found online and add the disclaimer "without responsibility for the accuracy" ZERO rational arguments and ZERO substance from you!

Oh please! I suppose you are going to tell us that your posts are full of substance and accurate instead of silly innuendos and prejudiced information about the US and UK whilst Greece is faultless?

Pull the other one!

[Paphitis]

As is so common one has the blame game with the usual suspects of CF pointing the finger at various other usual suspects about eg events in Greece in 1967 and those in Cyprus in 1974, and in particular with the various conspiracy theories involving the USA and UK.

there are however a number of Academic papers which seek to challenge the cherished views of some, which are worth at least reading.

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/europeanInstitute/research/hellenicObservatory/pdf/3rd_Symposium/PAPERS/CONSTANDINOS_ANDREAS.pdf
http://www.academia.edu/2343038/British_Non-Intervention_in_the_Cyprus_Crisis_of_1974
http://www3.nd.edu/~dlindley/handouts/US%20role%20in%20Cyprus%20Crises.pdf

Already I can forsee the usual abusive response of some to those who seek to challenge their particular close- minded world view: the shoot the messenger scenario, which as usual relies more on abuse of the author to try to carry the day, without actually producing objective argument.

The third is a real peach, suggesting as it does that the events of 1974 were NOT part of some grand plan by Kissinger. see p 43 onwards...the authors claim to have seen and used recently released items, which O'malley and his co-author did not have access to.

The entire document might be a CIA piece of disinformation, it might not be, I pass it and the others on as read and without responsibility for the accuracy,.

btw a subscription to the Academia site is free....

BTW STUD, I found O'Malley's research and work to be quite good and well backed up with evidence and official records and data. Not all of it was referenced to official sources though.