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[Oceanside50]

Rw, your proposal has its merits so does your manifesto.. It's basically what more or less the proposal Makarios put on the table in 75....unfortunately the attitude adjustment remains to be seen.. If we as Gc are not willing to put up with the Tc in government, and complain about giving free booster shots to little Tc kids etc etc.. Then any deal along the lines of your manifesto will be dismissed..

[repulsewarrior]

...anger, denial, rejection; sooner or later what is natural evolves.

Cyprus does not belong to "Greeks" and "Turks", if it does then what we have learned in the last one hundred years is lost; i have more Faith, in Humanity.

[supporttheunderdog]

As is so common one has the blame game with the usual suspects of CF pointing the finger at various other usual suspects about eg events in Greece in 1967 and those in Cyprus in 1974, and in particular with the various conspiracy theories involving the USA and UK.

there are however a number of Academic papers which seek to challenge the cherished views of some, which are worth at least reading.

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/europeanInstitute/research/hellenicObservatory/pdf/3rd_Symposium/PAPERS/CONSTANDINOS_ANDREAS.pdf
http://www.academia.edu/2343038/British_Non-Intervention_in_the_Cyprus_Crisis_of_1974
http://www3.nd.edu/~dlindley/handouts/US%20role%20in%20Cyprus%20Crises.pdf

Already I can forsee the usual abusive response of some to those who seek to challenge their particular close- minded world view: the shoot the messenger scenario, which as usual relies more on abuse of the author to try to carry the day, without actually producing objective argument.

The third is a real peach, suggesting as it does that the events of 1974 were NOT part of some grand plan by Kissinger. see p 43 onwards...the authors claim to have seen and used recently released items, which O'malley and his co-author did not have access to.

The entire document might be a CIA piece of disinformation, it might not be, I pass it and the others on as read and without responsibility for the accuracy,.

btw a subscription to the Academia site is free....

BTW STUD, I found O'Malley's research and work to be quite good and well backed up with evidence and official records and data. Not all of it was referenced to official sources though.

Wenzke and Lindley suggest that that their conclusions are flawed as they may not have had complete access to all records while Woodward describes them as sensationalist .
Certainly a conspiracy theory would sell more books than a lack of conspiracy theory.

[GreekIslandGirl]

As is so common one has the blame game with the usual suspects of CF pointing the finger at various other usual suspects about eg events in Greece in 1967 and those in Cyprus in 1974, and in particular with the various conspiracy theories involving the USA and UK.

there are however a number of Academic papers which seek to challenge the cherished views of some, which are worth at least reading.

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/europeanInstitute/research/hellenicObservatory/pdf/3rd_Symposium/PAPERS/CONSTANDINOS_ANDREAS.pdf
http://www.academia.edu/2343038/British_Non-Intervention_in_the_Cyprus_Crisis_of_1974
http://www3.nd.edu/~dlindley/handouts/US%20role%20in%20Cyprus%20Crises.pdf

Already I can forsee the usual abusive response of some to those who seek to challenge their particular close- minded world view: the shoot the messenger scenario, which as usual relies more on abuse of the author to try to carry the day, without actually producing objective argument.

The third is a real peach, suggesting as it does that the events of 1974 were NOT part of some grand plan by Kissinger. see p 43 onwards...the authors claim to have seen and used recently released items, which O'malley and his co-author did not have access to.

The entire document might be a CIA piece of disinformation, it might not be, I pass it and the others on as read and without responsibility for the accuracy,.

btw a subscription to the Academia site is free....

BTW STUD, I found O'Malley's research and work to be quite good and well backed up with evidence and official records and data. Not all of it was referenced to official sources though.

Wenzke and Lindley suggest that that their conclusions are flawed as they may not have had complete access to all records while Woodward describes them as sensationalist .
Certainly a conspiracy theory would sell more books than a lack of conspiracy theory.

And what do you think after having read it?

[Paphitis]

As is so common one has the blame game with the usual suspects of CF pointing the finger at various other usual suspects about eg events in Greece in 1967 and those in Cyprus in 1974, and in particular with the various conspiracy theories involving the USA and UK.

there are however a number of Academic papers which seek to challenge the cherished views of some, which are worth at least reading.

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/europeanInstitute/research/hellenicObservatory/pdf/3rd_Symposium/PAPERS/CONSTANDINOS_ANDREAS.pdf
http://www.academia.edu/2343038/British_Non-Intervention_in_the_Cyprus_Crisis_of_1974
http://www3.nd.edu/~dlindley/handouts/US%20role%20in%20Cyprus%20Crises.pdf

Already I can forsee the usual abusive response of some to those who seek to challenge their particular close- minded world view: the shoot the messenger scenario, which as usual relies more on abuse of the author to try to carry the day, without actually producing objective argument.

The third is a real peach, suggesting as it does that the events of 1974 were NOT part of some grand plan by Kissinger. see p 43 onwards...the authors claim to have seen and used recently released items, which O'malley and his co-author did not have access to.

The entire document might be a CIA piece of disinformation, it might not be, I pass it and the others on as read and without responsibility for the accuracy,.

btw a subscription to the Academia site is free....

BTW STUD, I found O'Malley's research and work to be quite good and well backed up with evidence and official records and data. Not all of it was referenced to official sources though.

Wenzke and Lindley suggest that that their conclusions are flawed as they may not have had complete access to all records while Woodward describes them as sensationalist .
Certainly a conspiracy theory would sell more books than a lack of conspiracy theory.

I am sure there are people that believe O'Malley's thesis is flawed one way or another but that does not make it so by any stretch.

It is possible that O'Malley is incorrect in only some minor details but it does not make his work irrelevant and his thesis is no conspiracy theory. He has researched the subject extensively and has solid references for his work.

There is absolutely no doubt that behind the scenes many things were occurring which implicate many people, including the US Administration of Nixon and Kissinger.

I am sure the Brits are implicated as well, since ultimately they did not do anything to stop the invasion even though they may have had solid intentions of helping the legitimate Makarios Administration and diplomatically tried many things to stop the invasion and then bring about a ceasefire.

There are many supporting documents as well.