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[Paphitis]

Well Sotos, maybe you need a crash course in politics and tact.

The only country that I see wants a slice of Cyprus is Turkey.

And if it were up to me and I was Pres of Cyprus, I would have joined NATO in 1960, given the Americans free access and a base if necessary, and Cyprus would be whole. But that's just me!

[Cap]

True Sotos.
In respect to time served, it doesn't count.

[Paphitis]

You're damn right it would be held into account. I was also told that I would eventually have a commission if I wanted it with at least my discharged rank from the ADF and whilst I was training I would skip most if not all the boot camp and Green Line duties.

[Sotos]

Well Sotos, maybe you need a crash course in politics and tact.

The only country that I see wants a slice of Cyprus is Turkey.

And if it were up to me and I was Pres of Cyprus, I would have joined NATO in 1960, given the Americans free access and a base if necessary, and Cyprus would be whole. But that's just me!

Before there was a RoC the British made sure to blackmail us and get bases which are supposedly SOVEREIGN!! That is way more than the bases that the Americans get in NATO countries which are NOT sovereign. The Americans have zero incentive in having Cyprus in NATO because they got all they ever wanted from Cyprus right from the beginning. They got all the benefits and zero liabilities.

[Paphitis]

Unfortunately Sotos, we miscalculated and mismanaged the RoC's affairs. The incentive if Cyprus was in NATO would have been enormous for the US. They would no longer need to worry.

The incentive for the RoC would have been even more, since we would be whole as NATO would see to that.

Shame Makarios never saw it!

[Cap]

I'm talking from personal experience back when I served.
So I'm not in any way denying what you're saying.

We served our time according to the laws back then.
There were a number of SADF veterans, parabats and ranked officers who served in the Angolan war.
I'll admit some of them were a bit arrogant having seen various degrees of battle, thought they knew it all. But their experience was invaluable.

Sure they were exempt form boot camp and Skopies, but they got their apolitirio only after their time was up.

[Paphitis]

I'm talking from personal experience back when I served.
So I'm not in any way denying what you're saying.

We served our time according to the laws back then.
There were a number of SADF veterans, parabats and ranked officers who served in the Angolan war.
I'll admit some of them were a bit arrogant having seen various degrees of battle, thought they knew it all. But their experience was invaluable.

Sure they were exempt form boot camp and Skopies, but they got their apolitirio only after their time was up.

Yes I know Cap! I don't have an issue with doing my time.

If I moved to Cyprus, I would probably just stay in the CNG by accepting a commission and having a regular Government Salary. There is not a great deal of other things I could do. Don't think I could do a regular job and my industry in Cyprus is in dire straits so not much chance there.

It would be the CNG or private enterprise for me or bust.

The SADF guys would be arrogant. Going to boot camp would be insulting. I reckon I could not handle it either.

When I was in, it was the most unusual experience. Everything was really hunky dory in recruitment and everyone was nice as pie until our buses went through the gate onto the parade ground. Then it was just pure shock. Everyone was yelling, insulting us, throwing our luggage onto the grounds. I felt weak at the knees and thought omg, what have I done. That was not what was in the damn brochures. What kept me going was my goal and dream. Once we were outa there, it all changed again for the better.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Time served in a foreign army would be taken into account when certain duties are handed out. It does not exempt you from CNG MS (only serving in Greece does that).

The reason you could come and go whilst doing army-duties for Australia is that it's similar to being in full-time education. They wait till you're finished and then you still need to fulfill your obligations (depending on your age and number of kids --- better have another ).

Otherwise, you are going to have a major problem if you spout some of the stuff about Greece as you are doing now. Part of your training I hope will teach you when to keep your mouth shut. Difficult for Australians ...

[Paphitis]

Time served in a foreign army would be taken into account when certain duties are handed out. It does not exempt you from CNG MS (only serving in Greece does that).

The reason you could come and go whilst doing army-duties for Australia is that it's similar to being in full-time education. They wait till you're finished and then you still need to fulfill your obligations (depending on your age and number of kids --- better have another ).

Otherwise, you are going to have a major problem if you spout some of the stuff about Greece as you are doing now. Part of your training I hope will teach you when to keep your mouth shut. Difficult for Australians ...

No it is not similar to being in education. I had an ADF ID card, and an official AUS passport. Not only that, it was procedure for me to provide address and contact number to the Australian Consulate when in Cyprus. Being called up for the CNG would have been a major incident and illegal.

Also, there are rules that must apply for the CNG also. You can't serve the CNG when you are already in service for another country. I think it is a bit more than just study don't you think?

Now, as to me being in trouble. I highly doubt it. If I was in the CNG and hostilities broke out, I would welcome any Hellenic Armed Forces that will stand by my side. They would be my family, soldiers and as such I would do everything I can to defend the lives of my mates, as I would expect they would do for me.

So tell them to come. I will go too. If they are there, then we are allies.

But they better be there, ok?

I have told you before, that in Greece I have a number of good mates in the Hellenic Armed Forces. I am not talking about conscripts. One is a pilot and another a trafficker for the HAF. I have even been to a number of Greek Bases pass the gates. You would never be allowed.

One of my mates lives close to you. They are in Athens and own a Hotel in Glyfada now, but they hail from Moshori which is about 12kms north of Kalamata! I spent the best Easter ever at this village.

All this shit is in your own head!

[repulsewarrior]

...and what is wrong with a Greek Constituency? what is wrong in a Democracy with being "Greek", if this right/privilege is accorded to other Persons as well? the rich Heritance Cyprus can sustain is broader. in effect, Cyprus, its central Government, represents the Freedom as a Republic its Citizens stand United to defend; it should be able to defend them without any distinction or discrimination as Individuals, because their Liberty (being Persons) is promoted in a manner where, beyond/under the State, they can promote National Identities as electors, (ie:taxpayers) as well (this is Bicommunal).

being "Greek" is one thing, being Cypriot is another, they are not one and the same, and although what is natural is the overwhelming population's choice respected, this is lost. yet, Cyprus has the opportunity for its dwellers to be so much more, as Cypriots. the world is a smaller place, what with our mobility and instant communication, frankly a Greek state, as a Constituency, can do so much more than a State that is Greek (for Greekness); we have seen the results over fifty years...

...new thinking is needed, please read my manifesto, and/or Kiks proposal, they have within them food for thought.