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[Paphitis]

What is "hypocracy" ?

Is it some lesser form of democracy such as that practiced by the Antipodeans?

When you live out of luggage and in hotels for 6 months of the year you use various forms of technology such as IPAD and Iphone. Quicker, easier and more mobile.

Now don't be so smart! I only get to see my family for 3 months a year, and I change time zones weekly. Circadian Rhythms are really messed up. The last thing I am going yo worry about is spelling and grammer or wasting more time on forum! OK?

The reason why I started this thread is because I am interested to see what you think and I asked respectfully.

So please, be nice.

[Paphitis]

No Greeks voted for the coupists ... the coupists took the power with the help of CIA and the Americans not with the support of the Greek population. On the other hand the Nazi party in Germany was the biggest party in Germany winning over 33% of the votes in several elections. If you blame the Greeks for the coup in Greece even though it was a CIA creation then you should also blame the Cypriots for the coup in Cyprus... otherwise YOU are the hypocrite

Who did the Greek Military take power from? Was it Karamanlis? He would never have been an issue for the CIA I am sure.

Sotos, I am more than happy to blame Greece, as it is responsible, and also blame many Cypriots for their involvement. In fact, I want and crave it! The reason Sotos, is that Greeks and Cypriots are different to others. Always, they look for someone to blame, are more self centred, and behave like deluded dorks like I have never seen before. Anglos, Germans and others are different. They will always look to see what they did wrong, and find ways and solutions to avoid similar mistakes.

I can only hope that more and more Cypriots get their education in the best universities in Britain and US and return to Cyprus to bring a new refreshing mindset. Can't wait for the current lot of Cypriot Peasants to die! It's called natural selection, and we need a lot of it in Greece and Cyprus.

According to many Greeks I have spoken to, the Greek Junta had plenty of support from the people. At various points, they could have had elections and their party would win. They destroyed the Greek Monarch and this touched the hearts of all Greeks.

Some Greeks still say that the junta was the best Government Greece has ever had. They were responsible for many projects, highways, dams, and other infrastructure. There was less corruption.

I always believed Greeks are better off under a dictatorship. A Military Dictatorship. At least in the Military, there are men and women that truly love Greece, whereas I am not so sure about the politicians that are elected. I think they love themselves more.

But all of that is still irrelevant! The Greek Military was the Government of Greece. It is in my opinion responsible for the decisions it makes on behalf of all the Greek people like all dictators before them in other parts of the world.

And of course, many Cypriots supported the junta. No problem Sotos! I am always eager to discuss Cypriot Stupidity! The level of it is astounding!

[Sotos]

Sotos, I am more than happy to blame Greece, as it is responsible, and also blame many Cypriots for their involvement.

A coup happens in Greece, you blame Greece as a whole. A coup happens in Cyprus you blame Greece and "many Cypriots"... not Cyprus and not all Cypriots.

The reason Sotos, is that Greeks and Cypriots are different to others. Always, they look for someone to blame...

Is this why you do nothing else than blaming Greece? Why don't you show how different you are from "the current lot of Cypriot Peasants" and blame only yourself from now on?

Anglos, Germans and others are different. They will always look to see what they did wrong, and find ways and solutions to avoid similar mistakes.

They are all more than happy to blame others whenever it suits them even when they are not justified. When we blame others about the CY Problem we are justified to do it. We would have no such problems if others didn't invade and occupy us.... or are we supposed to blame ourselves because we were not able to defend our island from invaders who are 100 times bigger?

[Paphitis]

Sotos, I am more than happy to blame Greece, as it is responsible, and also blame many Cypriots for their involvement.

A coup happens in Greece, you blame Greece as a whole. A coup happens in Cyprus you blame Greece and "many Cypriots"... not Cyprus and not all Cypriots.

The reason Sotos, is that Greeks and Cypriots are different to others. Always, they look for someone to blame...

Is this why you do nothing else than blaming Greece? Why don't you show how different you are from "the current lot of Cypriot Peasants" and blame only yourself from now on?

Anglos, Germans and others are different. They will always look to see what they did wrong, and find ways and solutions to avoid similar mistakes.

They are all more than happy to blame others whenever it suits them even when they are not justified. When we blame others about the CY Problem we are justified to do it. We would have no such problems if others didn't invade and occupy us.... or are we supposed to blame ourselves because we were not able to defend our island from invaders who are 100 times bigger?

Yes Sotos, I blame Greece for the Coup. Greece is responsible for a lot.

I also blame Cyprus and I blame its politicians including Makarios, no matter how much people adored him. There is no immunity for Cyprus or Makarios himself.

I also blame myself despite not being born yet. I think all Cypriots should do that, because everyone is responsible in a way. We are responsible for the politicians that are elected.

After all this Sotos, you can also look at blaming others too. The US/Kissinger and NATO had a significant role to play. But let's face it, they didn't just decide to screw Cyprus just for fun. We gave them a reason to do what they did, hence I return back to Cyprus and Makarios.

I grew up in Australia Sotos, and I see some mindset differences which are quite obvious to me. Would I prefer to live under a Greek or Cypriot government or an Australian Government? The answer to this is that I would prefer any Australian Government over any Greek or Cypriot government any day. I wish that Greece and Cyprus could be as lucky as Australia is. But since it is not, I often wonder whether this is the fault of the Greek and Cypriot people. I think that this is the case actually.

The last time I went to Cyprus was in 2010. It was an awful trip. I said to my wife that I would never like to go again. Too many painful memories. Family roots and heritage lost (I must speak to Miltiadis about this in private) on one side. At least everything on the Tsada side is ok.

I actually like Greece more than Cyprus, and plan on spending more time in rural Greece than in Cyprus. I feel at home there as well, and I love the people.

Sotos, it is because all this is happening to Greece and Cyprus that I feel vocal about it. If we are all quiet then there can never be any change, and both are doomed.

Cyprus also needs its own nationalism, and has a responsibility to Greece. It is Cyprus that needs to show Greece the way, and not the other way around.

[Sotos]

Yes Sotos, I blame Greece for the Coup. Greece is responsible for a lot.

So for the coup in Cyprus you blame others outside of Cyprus but for the coup in Greece you blame the Greeks The Greek people are as much responsible for the actions of Greek Junta as the Cypriots are responsible for the actions of EOKA B and the coupists in Cyprus. If you can not understand that in both cases we are talking about small groups of people who took power by force and are not representative of the the majority then you have issues!!

The US/Kissinger and NATO had a significant role to play. But let's face it, they didn't just decide to screw Cyprus just for fun. We gave them a reason to do what they did, hence I return back to Cyprus and Makarios.

And what "reason" was that? Making our free choices for our own country?! The Americans can not tolerate others to be free and democratic and they make coups, invasions etc to get what they want ... and you excuse them and you instead blame Cypriots for not being obedient slaves?

I grew up in Australia Sotos, and I see some mindset differences which are quite obvious to me. Would I prefer to live under a Greek or Cypriot government or an Australian Government? The answer to this is that I would prefer any Australian Government over any Greek or Cypriot government any day. I wish that Greece and Cyprus could be as lucky as Australia is. But since it is not, I often wonder whether this is the fault of the Greek and Cypriot people. I think that this is the case actually.

We are doing much better than the native Australians ... the native Australians lost everything to the invaders ... and no... it is not their fault and they shouldn't blame themselves!! It is clear whom they should blame like it is clear who is to blame for the CY Problem and you better stop excusing those foreigners who want to occupy our island!

[Paphitis]

Yes Sotos, I blame Greece for the Coup. Greece is responsible for a lot.

So for the coup in Cyprus you blame others outside of Cyprus but for the coup in Greece you blame the Greeks The Greek people are as much responsible for the actions of Greek Junta as the Cypriots are responsible for the actions of EOKA B and the coupists in Cyprus. If you can not understand that in both cases we are talking about small groups of people who took power by force and are not representative of the the majority then you have issues!!

That's not what I said! Have another read.

As I said, no one is immune, not even Cyprus!

We are not talking about small groups of people. We are talking about the Greek Armed Forces that took power and in Cyprus, the Coupists had the support of 30% of the people in the least and maybe more.

The US/Kissinger and NATO had a significant role to play. But let's face it, they didn't just decide to screw Cyprus just for fun. We gave them a reason to do what they did, hence I return back to Cyprus and Makarios.

And what "reason" was that? Making our free choices for our own country?! The Americans can not tolerate others to be free and democratic and they make coups, invasions etc to get what they want ... and you excuse them and you instead blame Cypriots for not being obedient slaves?

I am really sorry, but who is free to make choices for their own country? Is Cyprus free today to make its own choices? I think in the last few months we have seen just how free you are to make your own choices.

Cypriot politicians have a responsibility to act in a manner that does not jeopardise the security and wellbeing of its population. It failed to do that.

You can throw around all the slavery cliches you like, but excuse me for thinking that Cyprus with a population of 700,000 is not going to bring about the new world order and bravely defy the US and NATO and come out of it unscathed! Wake up!

It is all relative. I think the US wouldn't mind you being free, even in 1974 but it would not like it if Cyprus for instance was going to allow the USSR to have a base.

I grew up in Australia Sotos, and I see some mindset differences which are quite obvious to me. Would I prefer to live under a Greek or Cypriot government or an Australian Government? The answer to this is that I would prefer any Australian Government over any Greek or Cypriot government any day. I wish that Greece and Cyprus could be as lucky as Australia is. But since it is not, I often wonder whether this is the fault of the Greek and Cypriot people. I think that this is the case actually.

We are doing much better than the native Australians ... the native Australians lost everything to the invaders ... and no... it is not their fault and they shouldn't blame themselves!! It is clear whom they should blame like it is clear who is to blame for the CY Problem and you better stop excusing those foreigners who want to occupy our island!

I don't think you are doing better than native Australians at all!

I am a native Australian and so are my children.

[Sotos]

Yes Sotos, I blame Greece for the Coup. Greece is responsible for a lot.

So for the coup in Cyprus you blame others outside of Cyprus but for the coup in Greece you blame the Greeks The Greek people are as much responsible for the actions of Greek Junta as the Cypriots are responsible for the actions of EOKA B and the coupists in Cyprus. If you can not understand that in both cases we are talking about small groups of people who took power by force and are not representative of the the majority then you have issues!!

That's not what I said! Have another read.

As I said, no one is immune, not even Cyprus!

We are not talking about small groups of people. We are talking about the Greek Armed Forces that took power and in Cyprus, the Coupists had the support of 30% of the people in the least and maybe more.

For the coup in Greece you blame ONLY the Greeks. For the coup in Cyprus you blame Greece again first and then Cypriots and others In Cyprus the coup was done by the Cyprus National Guard just like in Greece it was done by the Greek Armed Forces. No difference. And how do you come with that 30% support? Any proof for that?

The US/Kissinger and NATO had a significant role to play. But let's face it, they didn't just decide to screw Cyprus just for fun. We gave them a reason to do what they did, hence I return back to Cyprus and Makarios.

And what "reason" was that? Making our free choices for our own country?! The Americans can not tolerate others to be free and democratic and they make coups, invasions etc to get what they want ... and you excuse them and you instead blame Cypriots for not being obedient slaves?

I am really sorry, but who is free to make choices for their own country? Is Cyprus free today to make its own choices? I think in the last few months we have seen just how free you are to make your own choices.

Cypriot politicians have a responsibility to act in a manner that does not jeopardise the security and wellbeing of its population. It failed to do that.

You can throw around all the slavery cliches you like, but excuse me for thinking that Cyprus with a population of 700,000 is not going to bring about the new world order and bravely defy the US and NATO and come out of it unscathed! Wake up!

It is all relative. I think the US wouldn't mind you being free, even in 1974 but it would not like it if Cyprus for instance was going to allow the USSR to have a base.

In the same way we should excuse all rapists and murderers and blame their victims because they provoked the rapists/murderers by acting freely according to their rights! To say that we should be careful to stay out of the way of rapists and murders is one thing. To excuse the criminals and blame the victims is quite another! Do you understand the difference??

I grew up in Australia Sotos, and I see some mindset differences which are quite obvious to me. Would I prefer to live under a Greek or Cypriot government or an Australian Government? The answer to this is that I would prefer any Australian Government over any Greek or Cypriot government any day. I wish that Greece and Cyprus could be as lucky as Australia is. But since it is not, I often wonder whether this is the fault of the Greek and Cypriot people. I think that this is the case actually.

We are doing much better than the native Australians ... the native Australians lost everything to the invaders ... and no... it is not their fault and they shouldn't blame themselves!! It is clear whom they should blame like it is clear who is to blame for the CY Problem and you better stop excusing those foreigners who want to occupy our island!

I don't think you are doing better than native Australians at all!

I am a native Australian and so are my children.

[Paphitis]

You can cry victim all you want Sotos and you can blame anyone you like as long you understand that nothing is personal in International Affairs.

I am not blaming the victims at all.

These things are obviously beyond your comprehension. Cyprus is under occupation, and it needs a lot of help to liberate itself. That help can only come from the powers you hate and continually blame by crying like the victim, while Greece is faultless according to you. A mindset change is necessary and Cyprus needs to engage US, and the EU in ways which will make them act in our favour.

You need to grow up. Greece has a great deal to account for before you even start spurting endless shit against other countries, including the US or the UK.

Then you can tell me how Cyprus can convince Greece to do something.

Better still, the US has the keys! how do you expect to get them on side and why isn't Cyprus trying to do this?

[repulsewarrior]

the coup in Greece in 67 was actually the prelude to the coup in Cyprus in 74...For some reason the CIA and the Americans saw a serious threat from Cyprus and its dealings with the Eastern bloc countries ie...Soviets, China ....Warsaw Pact..

No, a divided Cyprus was useful for everyone (except of course for us locals).

...well said.

[Sotos]

You can cry victim all you want Sotos and you can blame anyone you like as long you understand that nothing is personal in International Affairs.

I am not blaming the victims at all.

These things are obviously beyond your comprehension. Cyprus is under occupation, and it needs a lot of help to liberate itself. That help can only come from the powers you hate and continually blame by crying like the victim, while Greece is faultless according to you. A mindset change is necessary and Cyprus needs to engage US, and the EU in ways which will make them act in our favour.

You need to grow up. Greece has a great deal to account for before you even start spurting endless shit against other countries, including the US or the UK.

Then you can tell me how Cyprus can convince Greece to do something.

Better still, the US has the keys! how do you expect to get them on side and why isn't Cyprus trying to do this?

I am blaming the ones who a responsible. Just the truth... nothing more nothing less. You are asking from us to kiss the ass of those who have major responsibility for the problems in Cyprus. You need to grow up and understand that kissing asses will not take you anywhere ... you will just make a fool of yourself and gain NOTHING.