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...another resident of Fools Paradise.

As usual, you think TC are the innocent angels in all this who suffered most. The TC would never side with the British occupation forces...or kill innocent GC in the Turkish village of Gunyeli before the inter-communal violance started. Infact, the flag in your avatar is the symbol of genocide and ethnic cleansing against indigenous Armenians and Greeks of Asia Minor...yet you still try and act the angel.

Turkey has gained nothing my friend it is TCs the TRNC was created for and TCs who will own it.

Denktash himself admitted that Turkey needed Cyprus as a military outpost...and that was the north is, an outpost of Turkey, holding 40,000 troops there. You really trying to tell us that Turkey has gained nothing. Your supposed 'republic' is losing its Cypriotness by the decade...unless reunification and legality is returned to Cyprus...within 10 years, there will be more Turkish settlers in Cyprus than Turkish Cypriots. Dont BOTHER telling me Turkey has gained nothing. As for TC 'owning' the 'TRNC'...well you may 'own' it (whatever that means) but even the Turkish police force and military has the final say on what TC get up to.

[zan]

I told you before, my avatar is only there to piss you off. I think we have already explained away the pretentious reasons for your avatar.

:angel: As usual, you think TC are the innocent angels in all this who suffered most. The TC would never side with the British occupation forces...or kill innocent GC in the Turkish village of Gunyeli before the inter-communal violance started. Infact, the flag in your avatar is the symbol of genocide and ethnic cleansing against indigenous Armenians and Greeks of Asia Minor...yet you still try and act the angel.

I said nothing of the sort. I think you should check your dates once again instead of spouting of rubbish that are easily refuted.

Denktash himself admitted that Turkey needed Cyprus as a military outpost...and that was the north is, an outpost of Turkey, holding 40,000 troops there. You really trying to tell us that Turkey has gained nothing. Your supposed 'republic' is losing its Cypriotness by the decade...unless reunification and legality is returned to Cyprus...within 10 years, there will be more Turkish settlers in Cyprus than Turkish Cypriots. Dont BOTHER telling me Turkey has gained nothing. As for TC 'owning' the 'TRNC'...well you may 'own' it (whatever that means) but even the Turkish police force and military has the final say on what TC get up to.

SO I said it belongs to the TRNC, I did not say that we are not allies with Turkey.

[Main_Source]

SO I said it belongs to the TRNC, I did not say that we are not allies with Turkey.

lol...if thats what u wanna call it...go ahead, your only kidding yourself and subsequently killing off the Turkish Cypriotness in Cyprus.

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Infact, Turkey is doing a better job then what you accuse GC of doing.

Think about that.

[zan]

SO I said it belongs to the TRNC, I did not say that we are not allies with Turkey.

lol...if thats what u wanna call it...go ahead, your only kidding yourself and subsequently killing off the Turkish Cypriotness in Cyprus.

And you think that the relocation of hundreds of thousands of people and all the hatred and heartache that’s going to bring is really a better option. Get real source. Think about what you are saying and try to imagine what all that your asking will actually bring just so you can say that “well we were right”. Be sure to smile broadly when you receive your Nobel peace prize.

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You dont know if there would have been a relocation of 'hundreds of thousands' of TC (I dont think TC numbered much more than 150,000 back then). Look at the north east of Greece.

Besides, what did you want GC to do? Carry on being ruled by the British?? When EOKA came into fruition, the British ruled independance out of the question...let alone Enosis which they broke there promise on.

As for Enosis under EOKA B, well EOKA B were something completely different and were backed the Greek junta (who were back by the CIA). So Enosis under the Greek junta WOULD HAVE been a bad idea. You also have to admit that TC wanted partition of the island around the same time too...and have to ask what Dr Kuck's intentions were when returning from Turkey in 1956 with plans of partition and calling his poitical party 'Cyprus is Turkish'. You DO know Turkey tried to invade Cyprus several times before 1974 dont you.

[zan]

SO I said it belongs to the TRNC, I did not say that we are not allies with Turkey.

lol...if thats what u wanna call it...go ahead, your only kidding yourself and subsequently killing off the Turkish Cypriotness in Cyprus.

And you think that the relocation of hundreds of thousands of people and all the hatred and heartache that’s going to bring is really a better option. Get real source. Think about what you are saying and try to imagine what all that your asking will actually bring just so you can say that “well we were right”. Be sure to smile broadly when you receive your Nobel peace prize.

I meant from today source not yesteryear. I'm willing to go on from today, its you who keeps harping on about the past. You see so much hate that you cannot even understand what we are talking about.

[Nikiforos]

what will a referendum give us?
that 100% of the cypriots want the british bases to leave?
so? will that remove the bases?


whether we were forced or not, we signed that treaty.
besides we have bigger problems right now in cyprus, from another round of patriotic blablabla that will have no outcome

Everything is achievable when the population speaks with one voice regarding its foreign policy and external threats.

Many never believed that the US would handover control of the Panama canal back to the Panamanians. In a similar way, Britain handed over control of Hong Kong to the Peoples Republic of China.

I suggest that the popular will of the GCs is fully capable of removing the British bases from Cyprus. The question is, does this will exist? If it does, then the British military bases will be thrown out of Cyprus. I believe that it is no longer acceptable to most people in the world to allow the remnants of a colonial military occupier to remain in place against the will of the locals.

The British bases do NOT serve Cypriot interests. Even as a guarantor power, the British did not help the Cypriot people in 1974.

[cypezokyli]

nikifore in principle you are not wrong. when it comes to your timing though, it doesnt make much sense.
lets first deal with the cyprus problem and then we solve the problem of the british bases.
lets say we start a whole case against the british and we force them out, would you be surprised of a response "direct flights from hethrow to tympou" ?

in case you want to start secretly preparing for the struggle, i would suggest that you first start figuring ways in which our economy will survive without the english tourists. after we dont need those tourist anymore , and we solved the cyprus problem, then we can turn our attention in how we will unsign what we already signed.

[Nikiforos]

Cypezokyli,

I do appreciate your thoughtful responses though I do not always agree with your posts. Ideally, it would be desirable for the movement to expel the British bases to come from one voice after the GC and TC communities are reunited in one Cyprus.

The British and Americans seem determined to aid the occupied north by poking the GCs in the eyes at every opportunity. Starting the ball rolling now on removing the British bases will serve notice that though Cyprus is small, the British and American actions will have likely undesirable consequences for their interests as well. For example, if the British or Americans initiate direct flights to the north, they should know that the calls to remove the British bases and other western installations will grow louder.

At any rate, the issue of the British bases must be dealt with within the framework of any Cyprus settlement-- either unification or the dreaded partition.

Certainly, the Cyprus government has made a mistake by not working harder to diversify its economy. However, remember that Britain is not the only source of tourists in the world. In addition, I strongly believe that the British who want to visit the RoC will continue to do so.