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[bill cobbett]

As a picture is worth a thousand words...

This is the whistle-blower Ejder Aslanbaba waving a wad of some thousands of TL he claims was offered to him as a bribe...

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... and this is someone who allegedly has some knowledge of the matter, Serdar Denktaş and if the surname isn't familiar to some of you... it ought to be.

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[bill cobbett]

Another piece of news from various place in the Occupied Areas is that "trnc" doesn't have the money for its usual extravaganza on July 20.

Perhaps Mr Donktosh Jnr could be asked for a contribution of some cash.

[Lordo]

surely you boys can run a collection to help out.

[Demonax]

how can a man receive a bribe to vote for what he is supposed to vote. You should find out what bribery means.

Paying someone to make sure he votes a certain way is usually called a bribe.

[Lordo]

how can it be a bribe. he is supposed to vote for his party. this is no bribe.
instead of giving him money he should be fired for not voting.

bribe means vote for something that they are not supposed to believe in.
dengtash junior has too much money and does not know what to do with it.

[Demonax]

how can it be a bribe. he is supposed to vote for his party. this is no bribe.
instead of giving him money he should be fired for not voting.

bribe means vote for something that they are not supposed to believe in.
dengtash junior has too much money and does not know what to do with it.

They gave him money to vote a certain way, promised to put him on a salary and make him a mayor!

If it looks like a bribe, sounds like a bribe and is called a bribe, then it's probably a bribe.

[Lordo]

he was supposed to vote with his party. how the hell can it be a bribe.

[bill cobbett]

Well, as if anyone would trust any election result in the Occupied Areas...

This chap is very suspicious of the increase in the electorate... describing it as "abnormal"...

NICOSIA (...Occupied Part thereof...) – Nevvar Nolan, “chairman” of the “higher election board” in "north" Cyprus stated that in the last four years since the the “parliamentary” elections of 2009 there has been an abnormal increase of more than 11,000 people in the number of voters.

More at ... http://www.lemoncy.eu

[Demonax]

Here you go. Bribery, corruption, blackmail, rape. How the pirate state operates:

Honorable politics in ‘Turkish Cyprus’

The kinderland (the trnc) proved once again how cheeky a political system it has. Years ago it was demonstrated vividly at an Istanbul court how corruption might be documented but it was the first time in Turkish or Turkish Cypriot politics for a corrupt politician to confess his involvement in bribery.

If he had some culture of any sort I would say he perhaps was influenced by British culture as he spent most of his life in Britain… I would say he remembered honesty. But if he had the slightest honesty in the first place he would have called a press conference and declares that he would hand back the thousands of liras he received in the form of salary and other “side benefits,” rarely feeling the need to go to Parliament over the past many years. It must definitely require having a rubber face to regularly get paid as an MP but almost never feeling the need to go to Parliament. Yet, in a leaked telephone conversation between him and the president, it became clear that the refusal of the Democrat Party-Nationalist Powers (DP-UG) alliance (which is formed with eight deputies who resigned from the National Union Party (UBP), pulling down the government in cooperation with the opposition and then joining the DP) to nominate him for the upcoming July 28 polls led the very honorable deputy to decide to reveal that he had received a 7,700-euro bribe to shift his political “allegiance.”

The “honorable” deputy confessed in Parliament last week that he had received a 7,700-euro bribe and a promise to be nominated in the upcoming elections in exchange for collaborating in the bringing down of the government, forcing early elections and voting in favor in the vote of confidence for the new interim technocratic government. What an honorable man!

This same “honorable” deputy was elected a deputy on the DP ticket. Then, because of an almost cliffhanger distribution of seats, the UBP needed the support of some opposition deputies. Since he did not disclose whether money was involved in that transfer also, the “honorable” deputy forgot that he was serving as the secretary-general of the DP, stepped down, resigned from the DP and joined the UBP. Alas he was not made minister but declared a “shadow” or “as if” minister in charge of Turkish Cypriots abroad. That portfolio helped him to entertain his friends and the electorate but soon became trivial in view of the great expectations from politics.

In the resignation of the eight from the UBP, he was forced to remain to play the second fiddle as the group was led by Ahmet Kaşif, the former interior minister who with the support of President Derviş Eroğlu had a leadership duel with İrsen Küçük. Since then he remained “loyal” to Kaşif, the president as well as the DP leader, but he discreetly learned that he would not be shown as a candidate in the upcoming July 28 elections. Did he not deserve a seat in Parliament after all those great services to the president and the opposition? Still, somehow the DP leader and party organization remembered the background of the contentious deputy. Anyhow, not only they were unsure whether if elected he would finish the next parliamentary term as a DP deputy, they were concerned as well with claims that even though “paid and closed down” he was accused once of raping an adolescent girl.

In any case, the contentious deputy has apparently come to the end of his political career. A court has clamped travel restrictions on him. Indeed, he was “caught” yesterday trying to cross into southern Cyprus.
It is saddening but the internationally isolated kinderland can follow no one but Ankara…

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/honora ... sCatID=425

[bill cobbett]

Yes, this chap is gonna end up as some kind of fall-guy, he's gonna be hung out to dry. He's under some kind of "police" investigation and he has been prevented from leaving "trnc". Earlier today, he was stopped by "trnc" "police" at the Ledras barricade.

Here's worldbulletin on the matter, [i]which is bringing the "trnc's" Eroglu in to the affair...(according to claims by Kucuk)...[/i]

..."Former Prime Minister of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" ("TRNC") Irsen Kucuk has blamed "TRNC President" Dervis Eroglu for the bribery events announced by" Prime Ministe"r Sibel Siber against a member of parliament, Ejder Aslanbaba, for allegedly accepting a bribe related to the vote of confidence in her programme.
Evaluating the recent incidents in "TRNC", Kucuk said, "Unfortunately," President" Dervis Eroglu had hand in these events again. He played an active role in fall of our government as well as in formation of the new government."
Pointing out that the recent bribery events should have never happened, Kucuk said, "Turkish Cypriots and democracy did not deserve it."
Aslanbaba claimed that he was bribed by the head of the Democrat Party- National Forces (DP-UG), Serdar Denktas. He was allgedly paid $7,700 to vote for the new government programme.
However, Serdar Denktas, the leader of the DP-UG party, denied his involvement in those allegations. He accused the recently toppled National Unity Party (UBP) party.
Denktas said that those allegations were wicked and need to be proved in court. He claimed that Aslanbaba asked for money, he was not bribed..."

... and there's also the matter of a phone conversation which was recorded on to a CD which Aslanbaba produced.

Well, well, well...It transpires that Eroglu of "trnc" was the other party, on the other end of the phone. here's the conversation between Aslanbaba and Eroglu... (from kktcmedya.com)
(google translate is poor on this one)...

Aslanbaba Eroglu to continue to work for a telephone conversation with DP Aslanbaba'dan Aslanbaba'ya a business can be found after the election, he says. Aslanbaba'ya Eroglu also prevent a lot of TV programs is proposed.

"The convention did not vote for 5"

Eroglu UBP'deki continuation of the phone call is making promises That remark is striking about the conference: "I have eaten in my life convention. Be gardaş, 5-bango got my vote. They are made of delegates. İrsen did not agree. Today, I lost my choice. 4 sounds this way, the Government would continue. Selection of candidates going to do with his time like a man. "

Here are the audio recording of President Eroglu Aslanbaba and solutions:

Eroglu: ever been on TV.
Aslanbaba:'ve never made TV connection. I did not say anything wrong. I said, "If the stream throws me into the water, will not," I said. There's nothing wrong with that.
Eroglu: All told everyone. DP - UG'ye need to go.
Aslanbaba: Okay brother and I went to the DP one year regardless of UBP had escaped. I texted repeatedly called Serdar, he decided to come to Change team, "Aslanbaba, suit will not change," he said to me. I have eaten in my life I did one year, organizations Prepare GS'lik.
Eroglu: Abraham had a tame one. Definitely not accept. Due to the departure of the party.
Aslanbaba: that I have not left the party in a bad way. Advice on the day I visited.
Eroglu: So, I left congress since inception. Determining the election date, if you says something, if it is not resolved at the earliest, according to him, will move on. Serdar now you're doomed. Made a preliminary, has now postponed postponed.
Aslanbaba: Ahmet brother said, if something happens to one of us ordayız together. Ahmet abiden I expect to stand upright. Disaster was the lady next to me to get right.
Eroglu: I'm asking the same thing for half an hour.
Aslanbaba: Then Ahmet Abi whether the candidate. These seven friends will spend on me? Two months after the agency finished.
Eroglu: a formula if you are a successful coalition. If coalition partner, the formula is very comfortable. I found a job as Deputy ends, but the year again.
Aslanbaba: Serdar suppose you give it to me?
Eroglu: Then you will be condemned to Serdar.
Aslanbaba: What are you going to be convicted? Serdar Wrist Rest now stands. Now this is also the dam of 8 friends can not agree with the DP. Since we talked about it, let them behind the word. I stood behind my word.
Eroglu: You dropped the government. Will connect to transcribe them.
Aslanbaba: bağlamadılar the article. What do I need?
Eroglu: You concentrate region. You have nothing in your head.
Aslanbaba: dude I hang around the area anyway! I really do. Dipkarpaz'daydım evening. Ahmet brother had a meeting. Ahmet abi, since 12 to discuss Serdar Bey, do not ask me now I'll say.
Eroglu: Mike's voice never heard of ...
Aslanbaba: I'm meeting with them when I leave here. From now on I'm going to the press and the public that I'm going to ask people how it goes back. Now go out and talk.
Eroglu:'d better not talk.
Aslanbaba: I did not say anything bad. What are you talking to me? Let me speak to him I call a ahmet evening dresses.
Eroglu: I have eaten in my life convention. Be gardaş, 5-bango got my vote. They are made of delegates. İrsen did not agree. Today, I lost my choice. 4 sounds this way, the Government would continue. Choose the time of going to do like a man with his own nominees.
Aslanbaba: Then I'll be busy. If I do not leave if the party candidate. Already independent zero chance of winning. There electoral threshold. Two months later, put the point. Until we put on the spot they did evil to us and we will do this evil to them.
Eroglu: meselsi errands, but this is a matter of leaving the party.
Aslanbaba: In the beginning it did not say why? Thursday gü u said, try to go to a candidate Do not listen to rumors, he said. In 10 people said that line. And then how can you say "not warm to the floor," he? I talked with the base. They said: "There is definitely something, Serdar bring to us." 10-15 people there, but I respect them. I will say this is disrupting the formation of Serdar Bey, just because there is nothing for his ego. Yes, sir, take care of yourself ...

For turkish-speakers...

Eroğlu’nun Aslanbaba ile yaptığı telefon görüşmesinde Aslanbaba’dan DP için çalışmaya devam etmesini seçimlerden sonra Aslanbaba’ya da bir iş bulunabileceğini söylüyor. Eroğlu ayrıca Aslanbaba’ya çok fazla televizyon programlarına çıkmaması önerisinde bulunuyor.

“5 oyumu vermediler kurultayda”

Eroğlu telefon görüşmesinin devamında UBP’deki kurultay ile ilgili çarpıcı sözler sarf ediyor İşte o sözler: “Ben canımı yedim kurultayda. Be gardaş, 5 tane bango oyum var. Onlar delege yapılmadı. İrsen kabul etmedi. Ben bugün seçimi kaybettim. 4’ü bu tarafa gelse, Hükümetimiz da devam edecekti. Adam gibi zamanında seçim yapacaktık kendi adaylarımız ile.”

İşte Aslanbaba ve Cumhurbaşkanı Eroğlu arasındaki ses kaydı çözümleri:

Eroğlu: Televizyon’a çıktın.
Aslanbaba: Çıkmadım TV bağlantısı yaptılar. Yanlış bişey demedim ki. Dedim ki, “Dereyi geçerse suya atarsa beni, vermem” dedim. Bunda yanlış bir şey yok ki.
Eroğlu: Bütün herkese anlattım. DP - UG’ye gitmen lazım.
Aslanbaba: Tamam abi da ben DP’den kaçtım UBP’ye gittim bir sene bağımsız kaldım. Defalarca Serdar’a mesaj attım aradım, takımını değiştir geleyim dedim o da, “Aslanbaba, takımımı değişmeyeceğim” dedi bana. Ben 1 sene GS’lik yaptım canımı yedim örgütleri hazırlayım.
Eroğlu: İbrahim Uysal vardı bir tek. Kesinlikle kabul etmiyor. Partiden ayrılışından dolayı.
Aslanbaba: Ben partiden kötü bir şekilde ayrılmadım ki. Ben geçen gün köyleri ziyaret ettim.
Eroğlu: Yani, başlangıçtan beri kurultayı bıraktım. Seçim tarihi belirlerken, sana eğer birşey söylediyse, erken karar değilse, ona göre yola çıkacan. Serdar’a mahkum oldun sen şimdi. Bir hazırlık yaptı, erteledi erteledi bugüne geldi.
Aslanbaba: Ahmet abi dedi ki, birimize bir şey olursa hep beraber ordayız. Ben Ahmet abiden dik durmasını beklerim. Sağ olsun Afet Hanım yanımda oldu.
Eroğlu: Yarım saattir aynı şeyi soruyorum.
Aslanbaba: O zaman Ahmet Abi de aday olmasın. Bu 7 arkadaş beni mi harcayacak? İki ay sonra vekillik da biter.
Eroğlu: Eğer başarılı bir koalisyon olursa bir formül bulunur. Koalisyon ortağı olursan çok rahat bir formül bulunur. Senin vekilliğin biter ama sene gene bir iş bulunabilir.
Aslanbaba: Siz de zannedersiniz Serdar verecek bana bunu?
Eroğlu: O zaman Serdar mahkum olacak.
Aslanbaba: Neye mahkum olacak? Serdar şimdi bile resti çekiyor. Şimdi bu 8 arkadaş katılmasa DP barajı da geçemez. Madem ki öyle konuştuk onlar da sözünün arkasında dursun. Ben sözümün arkasında durdum.
Eroğlu: sen hükümeti düşürdün. Bunları yazıya bağlayacağız.
Aslanbaba: Yazıya bağlamadılar. Benim ne yapmam lazım?
Eroğlu: Sen bölgeye yoğunlaş. Senin kafanda başka bir şey var.
Aslanbaba: Ben bölgeyi geziyorum abi zaten! Gerçekten. Akşam Dipkarpaz’daydım. Ahmet abinin bir toplantısı vardı. Ahmet abi, 12’den beri görüşecekler Serdar Bey’le bana da diyecekler ki istemeyik artık seni.
Eroğlu: Ahmet’in sesini duymadık hiç...
Aslanbaba: Buradan çıkınca onlarla buluşacağım. Ben artık bundan sonra çıkacağım basının karşısına ve bu halk böyle insanların arkasından nasıl gider diye soracağım. Çıkıp konuşacağız artık.
Eroğlu: Konuşmazsan iyi olur.
Aslanbaba: Kötü bir şey söylemedim ki. Ne konuşacak ki bana? Ahmet abiyi arayım bir onunla da görüşeyim.
Eroğlu: Ben canımı yedim kurultayda. Be gardaş, 5 tane bango oyum var. Onlar delege yapılmadı. İrsen kabul etmedi. Ben bugün seçimi kaybettim. 4’ü bu tarafa gelse, Hükümetimiz da devam edecekti. Adam gibi zamanında seçim yapacaktık kendi adaylarımız ile.
Aslanbaba: Bundan sonra yoğun olacak. Partiden ayrılacağız eğer aday olmazsam. Zaten bağımsız kazanma şansı sıfırdır. Ülke barajı var. İki ay sonra noktayı koyacağız. Noktayı koyacağımız zamana kadar onlar bize kötülüğü yaptı biz de onlara bu kötülüğü yapacağız.
Eroğlu: Getir götür meselsi değil, partiden ayrılma meselesidir bu.
Aslanbaba: Başlangıçta neden söylemedi bunu? Perşembe gü nü dedi ki, adaysınız gidin çalışın dedikodulara kulak asmayın dedi. 10 kişinin içinde bu lafı söyledi. Ve sonra sen nasıl dersin “taban sıcak bakmıyor” diye? Ben taban ile de konuştum. Onlar da “kesinlikle öyle bir şey yok, Serdar’ı yanımıza getir”. 10 - 15 kişi var onlara saygı duyarım ama. Serdar Bey sırf kendi egosu için bu oluşumu bozuyorsa diyecek bir şey yok. Tamam efendim, iyi bakın kendinize...