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[bg_turk]

are you nuts?

hangings without trial,no voting rights,curfews and over taxation we are not talking about a little piece of westminster democracy in the middle of the mediterranean.

Things at which the very country the EOKA terrorists sought to unite with excelled at


Maybe these melodies will remind you of what I am talking about. They were banned for 8 years.
http://www.ahistoryofgreece.com/music/palikari.mp3
http://www.ahistoryofgreece.com/music/S ... itonia.mp3

[Main_Source]

BG Turk shpwing off his arsenal of anti-Greek propaganda again.

Get your facts right...the Greek junta wasnt in power until the mid 60's. The EOKA fight had finished by then.

[BirKibrisli]

bg_turk

Is there a chance you can give us an idea what the lyrics of those two songs are saying?I got a feeling they are not words I will find palatable,but I am curious.

[Vassos1]

Whether you want to believe it or not, the EOKA B supporters are as alive as the Turkish Cypriot TMT supporters in the North. Please, let’s not forget that Mr Denktas, former Turkish Cypriot leader, was one of the co-founders of the TMT (Taksim) movement, while Tassos Papadopoulos was a prominent legal representative of the EOKA B movement. Unfortunately for Clerides, he was stuck in between our EOKA members and those who genuinely wanted to live in Cyprus regardless of the political exterminators at the time.

Today, the EOKA lives amongst or Republic in the same form as how the British National Party (BNP) lives in British; behind the scenes as a party that acts as a threat and a catalyst to those nationalist followers. My suggestions of a two-republic solution will no doubt eliminate those small, unimportant, pressure groups who only survive under federal means. The Annan Plan would have excelled these groups to dangerous proportions, while a two-republic formula will eliminate them. Tassos Papadopoulos, although has taken a back-seat in reason years with his affiliation with the EOKA, is still regarded as its Denktas-equivalent. It is due to this reason why I strongly believe that Mehmet Ali Talat will no doubt sweep him aside in his determination to gain full recognition of his so-called TRNC.

I have seen many members of the EOKA team removed, many appointed to government positions and many relocated to the ranks within the National Guard, but I have not seen any taken to court, arrested or convicted of any so-called crimes against the British or Turkish Cypriots in the past. Do these people exist, have they ever existed? How powerful are they? And, what real influences in the Republic of Cyprus do they have?

Some people even say that you can only get a “Real” position in industry if you have the right backing? Our republic is being “figured” out, and Mehmet Ali Talat has already started his campaign in collaboration with the British and American authorities.

Mr Papadopoulos, if you are reading this posting, I would strongly recommend that you broker a deal now, before you are faced with consequences that will ravish through yours, and the lives of all the people around you.

Good Luck.
Mr Vassos James Carter, Attorney, Baker & McKenzie - Chicago

[Kifeas]

Whether you want to believe it or not, the EOKA B supporters are as alive as the Turkish Cypriot TMT supporters in the North. Please, let’s not forget that Mr Denktas, former Turkish Cypriot leader, was one of the co-founders of the TMT (Taksim) movement, while Tassos Papadopoulos was a prominent legal representative of the EOKA B movement. Unfortunately for Clerides, he was stuck in between our EOKA members and those who genuinely wanted to live in Cyprus regardless of the political exterminators at the time.

Vassos, allow me to say that you are a complete ignorant of Cyprus history and facts and as a result you are simply improvising things out. Not only Papadopoullos had never been a legal representative of the Eoka B movement, but due to his always close association with Makarios, his was one of the presumed targets of the Eoka B. Unless of course if you are confusing the Eoka movement of 1955-1958 with the Eoka B of the 1971-1974. Can you tell me the names of the books you read about Cyprus?

Today, the EOKA lives amongst or Republic in the same form as how the British National Party (BNP) lives in British; behind the scenes as a party that acts as a threat and a catalyst to those nationalist followers.

This is nonsense, to say the least!

Tassos Papadopoulos, although has taken a back-seat in reason years with his affiliation with the EOKA, is still regarded as its Denktas-equivalent.

Is regarded by whom??

It is due to this reason why I strongly believe that Mehmet Ali Talat will no doubt sweep him aside in his determination to gain full recognition of his so-called TRNC.

???

I have seen many members of the EOKA team removed, many appointed to government positions and many relocated to the ranks within the National Guard, but I have not seen any taken to court, arrested or convicted of any so-called crimes against the British or Turkish Cypriots in the past. Do these people exist, have they ever existed? How powerful are they? And, what real influences in the Republic of Cyprus do they have?

Again, which Eoka are you talking about? Those that were involved in the first Eoka (1955-58 ) are in there 80’s and 90’s now. From those that there was evidence they were involved in the Eoka B' (1971-1974,) although none of them was put on trial except Sampson who served in prison for this, none of them is serving in the civil service, set aside in a high ranking position.

[Vassos1]

Kifeas,

It’s easy to say, it’s “nonsense”, or “by whom” and “???”, but you really must wake up to what is happening to our politics in Cyprus.

I don’t need to refer to books regarding the history of the EOKA A and the EOKA B, if really was, or even is, any difference in them. The EOKA A was against the British, while the EOKA B against the Turks. This not only sounds ridiculous, but is also not consistent with the nature of these supposedly two organisations. In reality Kifeas, the two are of the same. The original EOKA wanted the island Greek, regardless of its campaign against British rule, the signing of the 1960 constitution or the 1974 Coup. EOKA B was only a term that was given to the SAME organisation by the British. Its members may have been older in 1972, for instance, but the same people continued its recruitment campaign in the same name of its struggle.

As a Greek Cypriot, I condoned the activities of both of these organisations and blame them for their fascist ways in destroying what Makarios would have achieved via peaceful means. Unfortunately, we are once again surrounded by many of these followers who are now determined, and who still think, that they are able to fool the world in tricking the British and the Turkish Cypriot administration.

They unfortunately do not realise that their, and I refuse to go into names but expect someone of your calibre to figure it out, actions today have caused the following:

1) They are targeting the British bases in the uneducated hope that they can kick them out. This will only anger the British and then later move one of its bases to the North in return by recognising it. Another silly modern EOKA movement.

2)The “No” campaign for the Annan Plan was financed and fuelled by these high-level EOKA supporters (I’ll let your thinking capacity figure it out).

3) The Church is financed by whom?

4)Papadopoulos’ speech before the April 2004 referendum meant what?

Words such as Civil Service, high ranking and etc are only a pretext to how influential the supporters of the old and new EOKA campaign really are. Please, also be aware that the same applies to the administration in Occupied-Cyprus.

Are you really trying to tell us all that the EOKA suddenly disappeared after 1974? Are you even trying to say that we do not have any militant groups that resemble the old EOKA.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,

It’s easy to say, it’s “nonsense”, or “by whom” and “???”, but you really must wake up to what is happening to our politics in Cyprus.

I don’t need to refer to books regarding the history of the EOKA A and the EOKA B, if really was, or even is, any difference in them. The EOKA A was against the British, while the EOKA B against the Turks. This not only sounds ridiculous, but is also not consistent with the nature of these supposedly two organisations. In reality Kifeas, the two are of the same. The original EOKA wanted the island Greek, regardless of its campaign against British rule, the signing of the 1960 constitution or the 1974 Coup. EOKA B was only a term that was given to the SAME organisation by the British. Its members may have been older in 1972, for instance, but the same people continued its recruitment campaign in the same name of its struggle.

Vassos, please do not continue as it is obvious to even the most ignorant on Cyprus that you are ...clueless!

By the way, are you a ...Greek Cypriot?
Or better, have you ever lived in Cyprus?

I am asking this because even the young Turkish Cypriots in this forum know that you have everything mixed up in your head.

[Vassos1]

Inexperience comes from someone who talks about the EOKA when they have clear not even known them. It is clear by your blank responses that you refuse to accept certain realities that are evident to even the most obtuse person growing up in Cyprus.

The Young Turkish Cypriot is blind. They do not know the real power that they posses, instead, most of them choose to accept any unification deal because they have never worked for a living. They fail to realise that Turkey has been paying their wages since 1974. They fail to understand that by uniting with us, they are just playing dummies to Turkey’s true imperialistic policies. If the Young Turkish and Greek Cypriots had any idea of what the politics in Cyprus was about, they would sit in front of a table and keep Cyprus “Cypriot”, instead of blindly acting as sugar on a wooden spoon for their motherland countries.

I am more of a Greek Cypriot that you could ever be Mr, or Mrs Kifeas. I do not hide my words in front of a name that sounds more like a Koteres Sandwich. Tell us your real name, where you really reside, and then we will talk about who is really Greek Cypriot or not. I fought in 1974 against the invading forces; and I struggled against the TMT forces in the Kyrenia Mountains as a young adult in 1963. My home was destroyed in 1974, and I suffered greatly at the initial ignorance of some of my fellow countryman who was only interested in leaving Cyprus for London, America or Australia. My home is in London, Chicago and Cyprus.

Do you live in Cyprus?

The EOKA at the moment is making the same mistake it did in those troublesome times; they are backing a government that will now cause the recognition of the very invading forces in the North whose Attila line was drawn by a British and American minister in 1954. The Attila line will be a legitimate border if people like you continue to vote for idiots like Tassos Papadopoulos and his government. Clerides would have also rejected the Annan Plan, but not in the way Papadopoulos did.

I am now very interested in knowing what you think the Turkish Cypriots are achieving as a result of our present government’s inexperienced wrangling.

Please remember, Mr Egdogan of Turkey has built 21 additional Mosques in Northern Cyprus since his position as PM of Turkey. Does that not tell you anything? And now they are offering Greek Cypriots the right of RETURN to their properties lost in 1974. RETURN to where, Yes! The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Papadopoulos is now going to make his worst mistake in history; he is actually going to recognise the North for the Turks himself.

[Kifeas]

I am more of a Greek Cypriot that you could ever be Mr, or Mrs Kifeas. I do not hide my words in front of a name that sounds more like a Koteres Sandwich. Tell us your real name, where you really reside, and then we will talk about who is really Greek Cypriot or not. I fought in 1974 against the invading forces; and I struggled against the TMT forces in the Kyrenia Mountains as a young adult in 1963. My home was destroyed in 1974, and I suffered greatly at the initial ignorance of some of my fellow countryman who was only interested in leaving Cyprus for London, America or Australia. My home is in London, Chicago and Cyprus.

Vassos,
You do not even speak Greek my friend! If you were, you wouldn't say what you said above. You do not even know that Kifeas name in Greek could have never been a female name, set aside the fact that any decent Greek speaking person should also have known its origin, something you do not seem to.

Anyway, can you tell me the names of the mountains you fought and the exact year and what actually happened there and then? Same goes for 1974! Speak with some details if possible, as it is your last chance to perhaps convince me about who you are, and not what I suspect you are.

The Attila line will be a legitimate border if people like you continue to vote for idiots like Tassos Papadopoulos and his government. Clerides would have also rejected the Annan Plan, but not in the way Papadopoulos did.

[Vassos1]

Kifeas Said:

Kifeas name in Greek could have never been a female name

There are many people posing to be someone else, let us have your real (full name) name.

My experience in 1963 and 1974 is not something I would divulge on an Open Forum.

My last chance to convince who? a person who hides behind insulting words towards a man who is a lot older and experienced. You were in nappies my friend when I was working with your fathers in fighting for your future. Your ignorant tone and lack of understanding of our people, proves to me that you are no better than those Settlers in the North. I just hope that you do not live in Cyprus.

Being old is something, but being insulted is unacceptable. I didn’t run from the Turks like you and your family may have. I stood my ground, but paid the price of losing members of my close family. I went to London as a lawyer and opened a practice in 1975 in order to assist our people's rights, then, to unite the island and remove the Turkish troops. After many years of running my practice, I was later offered a position by Clifford Chance and am now a Senior member of a law firm in Chicago. I am 69 years old, and hope to retire in Cyprus soon.

My experience in 1963 and 1974 is my own, and I would be more than happy to share it with you in person.

I ask you again:
Where do you live?
Are you really Greek, or Greek Cypriot?
And, is Kifeas your real name?

..............Let’s start by knowing how old you are?


P.S – I am half Greek, half English (My name should have given that away). Mother, who died in 1977, was Greek Cypriot, and my Father, who died soon after, was English Cypriot. The luxury of Dual nationality, and ethnicity enabled me to gain full sponsorship for my early studies and employment opportunities that were otherwise impossible to achieve by a Greek Cypriot in the 1960s and 1970s.