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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby kimon07 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:22 am

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Viewpoint wrote:But famagusta port is not being given to the GCs the area called Maraş is, the sea port will remain under our control in the TRNC but supervised by the EU and UN, how is that different form having ercan supervised the same way. Surely different principles cannot be applied in each case as it suits the GCs in order to obtain recognition from Turkey, neither side should benefit by being recognized due to these changes.


Just to clarify this. The port would be opened under EU or UN administration for direct trade, but under the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus, with arrangements to ensure Turkish Cypriot involvement in management. It would not be under the ‘control’ of the ‘trnc’ in the sense you seem to think.

As for the airport, try and understand that whenever the issue of direct flights to Tymbou or a re-opened Nicosia Airport was discussed in the past Turkey and the military turned it down because the airports would remain under the control and jurisdiction of the Republic - as international law dictates. And that Turkey would have to recognise the Republic and its sovereignty over the north to enter into aviation agreements.

The main problem, as kimon says, would be the Flight Information Region (FIR) for Tymbou flights which can only happen with RoC sovereignty not being compromised. Something Turkey and the military have not been willing to accept.


Thats even more unacceptable than I initially thought, we are to give the port and maras to the GCs for what?


For a chance to become an internationaly recognized minority again.
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:00 am

kimon07 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Demonax wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:But famagusta port is not being given to the GCs the area called Maraş is, the sea port will remain under our control in the TRNC but supervised by the EU and UN, how is that different form having ercan supervised the same way. Surely different principles cannot be applied in each case as it suits the GCs in order to obtain recognition from Turkey, neither side should benefit by being recognized due to these changes.


Just to clarify this. The port would be opened under EU or UN administration for direct trade, but under the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus, with arrangements to ensure Turkish Cypriot involvement in management. It would not be under the ‘control’ of the ‘trnc’ in the sense you seem to think.

As for the airport, try and understand that whenever the issue of direct flights to Tymbou or a re-opened Nicosia Airport was discussed in the past Turkey and the military turned it down because the airports would remain under the control and jurisdiction of the Republic - as international law dictates. And that Turkey would have to recognise the Republic and its sovereignty over the north to enter into aviation agreements.

The main problem, as kimon says, would be the Flight Information Region (FIR) for Tymbou flights which can only happen with RoC sovereignty not being compromised. Something Turkey and the military have not been willing to accept.


Thats even more unacceptable than I initially thought, we are to give the port and maras to the GCs for what?


For a chance to become an internationaly recognized minority again.


...or for a chance to make Cyprus something more than being "Greek", or "Turk".
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:10 am

Goes totally against the ideology we stand for minority is something we will never accept, think of it as being asked to recognize the TRNC for you guys thats how important the issue is for the TCs.
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:17 am

why?
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:19 am

Oceanside50 wrote:why?


Why what? ask your question.
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:51 am

...and what is wrong with having equal rights as Greeks? Cyprus is an island, its People are Cypriots, what is wrong with a Republic, where within it there are Constituencies? an airport for a city, seems really short sighted; that is if it is not separation (or annexation) that you are seeking.
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:21 pm

But its your side that rejects all that you promote.
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:17 pm

Viewpoint wrote:But its your side that rejects all that you promote.


really? then join me, and say, i love Cyprus first. i may be Turkish, but i am no "Turk".

..."your side", who is the "your" that you are referring to; i may be Greek, but i am no "Greek".
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby kurupetos » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:21 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:But its your side that rejects all that you promote.


really? then join me, and say, i love Cyprus first. i may be Turkish, but i am no "Turk".

..."your side", who is the "your" that you are referring to; i may be Greek, but i am no "Greek".

I thought it was the opposite. :? :?
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:23 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:But its your side that rejects all that you promote.


really? then join me, and say, i love Cyprus first. i may be Turkish, but i am no "Turk".

..."your side", who is the "your" that you are referring to; i may be Greek, but i am no "Greek".


Your side are the GCs. I love Cyprus North Cyprus as i know not the south a foreign land full of foreigners.
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