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[Demonax]

.it is Turkey, or should i say Erdogan, that has the final word on what he says.

This is true. When VP claims that ‘Turkey’ speaks on his behalf, he leaves himself with no voice.

Only a Turk could proclaim himself proud of losing the right to express himself.

[Viewpoint]

repulse what are you on today? you appear to be going around in circles again trying to work who the we our you yours are, please keep up...there are 2 sides with a chasm which is unbridgeable if you do not see our community as equals to yours.

You claim that Turkey speaks for you. So who do you speak for? Why are you here? It's a legitimate question.

I speak for Turkey and Turkey speaks for me are we saying anything different? must kill you inside to know this.

[Demonax]

repulse what are you on today? you appear to be going around in circles again trying to work who the we our you yours are, please keep up...there are 2 sides with a chasm which is unbridgeable if you do not see our community as equals to yours.

You claim that Turkey speaks for you. So who do you speak for? Why are you here? It's a legitimate question.

I speak for Turkey and Turkey speaks for me are we saying anything different? must kill you inside to know this.

Why would it bother me that you cannot speak for yourself? It's of no concern to me.

What you think or say is irrelevant. Our beef is with Turkey. Not with inconsequential idiots like you.

[repulsewarrior]

oh dear the swine are everywhere.

cyprus is not greek plonker. plonk along now mummy is waiting to change your nappy.

...who says Cyprus is Greek? as i see it, in this conversation, so far it is you, Lordo, (and vp) who says it is "Greek"; it is "Turkish" neither.

...@ vp, because "you" say there is a divide, there is a divide. no doubt there are "the others", but still you deny that as Human Beings we are one.

(and the other Forum contributors who will not discuss the big question) "yours"/"ours" is meaningless, unless we are all Cypriots, and within this State, we are as constituents. why not ask (if there must be a Turkish Constituency), for other Cypriot Constituencies? why not a Greek Constituency, where Greek comes first; it surely frees the Republic to secure this Liberty for all Constituencies without distinction or discrimination, with a Freedom based on Universal Principals, with the credibility to speak as all of us in defending (and in bettering) our Individual Rights.

whether you are "Greek" or "Turkish", "you" should have learned by now to say, ""this" must stop". and i say to you, vp, and in this case Lordo too, this state is unnatural, things cannot remain this way forever. pardon me Lordo, are you calling me a swine? Demonmax may be a little crude, but it's true, if your Cypriot, you have a beef with Turkey. indeed Cypriots who are Turkish but not "Turks", living in the north, are the most oppressed of all Cypriots , with the Turkish Army focused on them they are the least able to defend themselves. the Maronites, and Armenians, the Latins, how they can sustain themselves is another very important matter (if you love Cyprus), Greeks as you say, by sheer numbers must choose. quite frankly, a Unitary State is, where it's at in economic terms, however, the duplication of services can be made to provide greater choice, and service, (if as Cypriots this was an aim) where the benefits far outweigh the cost.

...if there was a Greek Constituency, equal to a Turkish Constituency, and other Constituencies, as well as a Republic, would you give Famagusta back?

[Viewpoint]

repulse what are you on today? you appear to be going around in circles again trying to work who the we our you yours are, please keep up...there are 2 sides with a chasm which is unbridgeable if you do not see our community as equals to yours.

You claim that Turkey speaks for you. So who do you speak for? Why are you here? It's a legitimate question.

I speak for Turkey and Turkey speaks for me are we saying anything different? must kill you inside to know this.

Why would it bother me that you cannot speak for yourself? It's of no concern to me.

What you think or say is irrelevant. Our beef is with Turkey. Not with inconsequential idiots like you.

You are still having problems understanding that we as in the TRNC and Turkey are one we speak the same mouth piece and trust each other, Turkey will not sell us out unlike the GCs.

[Viewpoint]

oh dear the swine are everywhere.

cyprus is not greek plonker. plonk along now mummy is waiting to change your nappy.

...who says Cyprus is Greek? as i see it, in this conversation, so far it is you, Lordo, (and vp) who says it is "Greek"; it is "Turkish" neither.

...@ vp, because "you" say there is a divide, there is a divide. no doubt there are "the others", but still you deny that as Human Beings we are one.

(and the other Forum contributors who will not discuss the big question) "yours"/"ours" is meaningless, unless we are all Cypriots, and within this State, we are as constituents. why not ask (if there must be a Turkish Constituency), for other Cypriot Constituencies? why not a Greek Constituency, where Greek comes first; it surely frees the Republic to secure this Liberty for all Constituencies without distinction or discrimination, with a Freedom based on Universal Principals, with the credibility to speak as all of us in defending (and in bettering) our Individual Rights.

whether you are "Greek" or "Turkish", "you" should have learned by now to say, ""this" must stop". and i say to you, vp, and in this case Lordo too, this state is unnatural, things cannot remain this way forever. pardon me Lordo, are you calling me a swine? Demonmax may be a little crude, but it's true, if your Cypriot, you have a beef with Turkey. indeed Cypriots who are Turkish but not "Turks", living in the north, are the most oppressed of all Cypriots , with the Turkish Army focused on them they are the least able to defend themselves. the Maronites, and Armenians, the Latins, how they can sustain themselves is another very important matter (if you love Cyprus), Greeks as you say, by sheer numbers must choose. quite frankly, a Unitary State is, where it's at in economic terms, however, the duplication of services can be made to provide greater choice, and service, (if as Cypriots this was an aim) where the benefits far outweigh the cost.

...if there was a Greek Constituency, equal to a Turkish Constituency, and other Constituencies, as well as a Republic, would you give Famagusta back?

Dude you have really lost the plot you appear stuck in the wes, theys, you, yours, try and move on to the matter at hand.

[Demonax]

You are still having problems understanding that we as in the TRNC and Turkey are one we speak the same mouth piece and trust each other, Turkey will not sell us out unlike the GCs.

No problems understanding that the 'trnc' is entirely dependant on Turkey for its existence. You think the world regards the 'trnc' as anything other than an illegal Turkish protectorate?

That is exactly your problem. The 'trnc' has no say in its future. Whoever is in charge in Turkey will decide that. Not you.

[Viewpoint]

Thats fine by us.

[Demonax]

quite frankly, a Unitary State is, where it's at in economic terms, however, the duplication of services can be made to provide greater choice, and service, (if as Cypriots this was an aim) where the benefits far outweigh the cost.

I don't think duplication of services will have much traction given the current economic austerity. Indeed the Annan Plan's 60,000 civil servants seems unfeasible. The TCs are going to be rumbled economically after a solution - one reason why they are desperate for the current stalemate to continue as they are dependant on Turkey's handouts to just keep going. Simultaneously they know that the current stalemate cannot last and Turkey needs to disengage financially. Their best hope for economic viability is the construction and tourist boom that will follow reunification. There will be investment in GC towns like Famagusta and Morphou and TCs may need new settlements. It's really their only hope.

[Viewpoint]

quite frankly, a Unitary State is, where it's at in economic terms, however, the duplication of services can be made to provide greater choice, and service, (if as Cypriots this was an aim) where the benefits far outweigh the cost.

I don't think duplication of services will have much traction given the current economic austerity. Indeed the Annan Plan's 60,000 civil servants seems unfeasible. The TCs are going to be rumbled economically after a solution - one reason why they are desperate for the current stalemate to continue as they are dependant on Turkey's handouts to just keep going. Simultaneously they know that the current stalemate cannot last and Turkey needs to disengage financially. Their best hope for economic viability is the construction and tourist boom that will follow reunification. There will be investment in GC towns like Famagusta and Morphou and TCs may need new settlements. It's really their only hope.

Jackenory time yet again.