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[Viewpoint]

We can declare what we want whether its recognized by the world is another matter altogether.

You said it!

Is that it? is that all you got form the above post? answer me this one question and we will all understand where you are coming from?

Where do you see TCs in a united Cyprus?

[Demonax]

We can declare what we want whether its recognized by the world is another matter altogether.

You said it!

Is that it? is that all you got form the above post? answer me this one question and we will all understand where you are coming from?

Where do you see TCs in a united Cyprus?

As equal citizens of the Republic of Cyprus enjoying full human rights as designated under EU law. Like any other citizen of the Republic. No more, no less.

I don’t have a problem with any citizen of the Republic who is committed to its independence and territorial sovereignty and who respects the traditions of others.

[Viewpoint]

We can declare what we want whether its recognized by the world is another matter altogether.

You said it!

Is that it? is that all you got form the above post? answer me this one question and we will all understand where you are coming from?

Where do you see TCs in a united Cyprus?

As equal citizens of the Republic of Cyprus enjoying full human rights as designated under EU law. Like any other citizen of the Republic. No more, no less.

I don’t have a problem with any citizen of the Republic who is committed to its independence and territorial sovereignty and who respects the traditions of others.

And the leaders will be? will we return to the 1960 Constitution with our rights in tact?

[Demonax]

And the leaders will be? will we return to the 1960 Constitution with our rights in tact?

One leader elected by majority vote. I don't think a return to the 1960 constitution has anything going for it. It didn't work in 1960, intensified ethnic separation and gave rise to mistrust. It was rigid, unworkable and divisive. No unitary state can function smoothly when it is filled with separatist provisions.

I'm in favour of a genuine federated solution, with a strong central government with one sovereignty, a common citizenship and the respect of the three principal freedoms - that of movement, residence and property.

[Viewpoint]

And the leaders will be? will we return to the 1960 Constitution with our rights in tact?

One leader elected by majority vote. I don't think a return to the 1960 constitution has anything going for it. It didn't work in 1960, intensified ethnic separation and gave rise to mistrust. It was rigid, unworkable and divisive. No unitary state can function smoothly when it is filled with separatist provisions.

I'm in favour of a genuine federated solution, with a strong central government with one sovereignty, a common citizenship and the respect of the three principal freedoms - that of movement, residence and property.

So basically you are taking away our rights as per the 1960 agreements and forcing us into minority in our own country...a country that will be dominated and administered by GCs...do you think this fair and acceptable to TCs? it gives you everything and us nothing...we are far better off as we are, cant you see this?

[Demonax]

So basically you are taking away our rights and forcing us into minority in our own country...a country that will be dominated and administered by GCs...do you think this fair and acceptable?

You need to get realistic, VP. The 1960 Constitution is all but defunct. We are discussing what kind of settlement will work in future. Not going back to an imposed settlement which allocated unchalleangeable and obstructive powers to a minority.

You need to get over the minority status of the TCs. Being a minority does not mean you are less of a partner, cannot participate as an equal citizen or have full democratic rights.

[Viewpoint]

So basically you are taking away our rights and forcing us into minority in our own country...a country that will be dominated and administered by GCs...do you think this fair and acceptable?

You need to get realistic, VP. The 1960 Constitution is all but defunct. We are discussing what kind of settlement will work in future. Not going back to an imposed settlement which allocated unchalleangeable and obstructive powers to a minority.

You need to get over the minority status of the TCs. Being a minority does not mean you are less of a partner, cannot participate as an equal citizen or have full democratic rights.

İ totally agree that we move on but İ support firstly division as being the best solution taking account our lack of desire to unite and no compromise mentality but would accept as middle ground BBF with political equality of the 2 states. But of course why would the gcs accept this when they already have everything they want?

[repulsewarrior]

...what we want is security, Free Movement, Free Association, Free Expression.

(in Famagusta, and in Cyprus)

your "our" wants Liberty, like the "Greeks". a State, and the Freedom it guarantees is not as important to you since nothing not "Turkish" is important to you. it is your identity as a Person (from a Nation) you promote exclusively. i think you deny this simple bit of logic because it is contrary to the dogma which, it seems, you have bought into. ask, where is the Greek Constituency, if you believe as i do, in a State, not Turkish, not Greek, its Government there to defend our Individual Rights. and if you believe in a BBF, Cypriot Constituencies can exist, where National Assemblies sustain a distinct identity, as taxpayers closer to their dollars through self-representation, effecting the changes they want in their daily lives, receiving this service as they have designed.

...vp, you are not a "we", although you are a Person, the best you can hope to imagine is that as an Individual, you can make arguments convincing to others who are as Persons similar to you, but with their own opinion; it is not a lot to think given that there is a bigger picture. frankly your cause will be set in a dustbin, (we are talking about the Treaty of Lausanne, aren't we?) simply because it is mere dogma from the past, (Turkey's foreign affairs) not as great as one of the world religions, but deeply rooted in the Age before Modern, still resisting this change, now in an Age of Information, unwilling to dig deep into the creative mind of its People for new thinking. it is clear, except to the body i call "Turkish", that there are paths far more enriching to take when it comes to the Cyprus Problem. "They" are (and i include "Greeks") the greatest impediment to the changes which need to made so that, the rest of us, who live under this subjugation, can instead, live as Human Beings.



...People rise up for trees, thank God.

[Viewpoint]

All hot air repulse yo u have no substance in your posts just Utopian gobbledygook...get real we are divided and remain so because neither side is willing to compromise or share.

[kurupetos]

We can declare what we want whether its recognized by the world is another matter altogether.

You said it!

Is that it? is that all you got form the above post? answer me this one question and we will all understand where you are coming from?

Where do you see TCs in a united Cyprus?

United Cyprus? You must be joking!