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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:47 pm

Kikapu lets dissect your post and give you answers which you will no doubt have problems understand as they do not conform to your biased one sided views;

We are not talking about tourists who are EU member states citizens. If the EU is going to control these ports, then they will need to handle these ports as any other EU ports, which means those who do not need visas can come as tourist with no problem, but those coming from Turkey cannot enter any EU countries without first getting visas, so all the Turks coming from Turkey with Turkish passport will need to get visas before arriving, even as tourists.. All those Turks living in the north today are mainly Illegal Aliens, so once they leave, they cannot return without visas, and if they want to apply for work permits or residence permits, they will need to have a long wait. So basically, all those Illegal Aliens in the north now, once they leave the north, coming back will be based on any other EU country's rules. If this is not done, what will be the purpose of the EU controlling these ports, so please answer that question.


This is in part is acceptable but if such rules are to be applied then there must be equality between the south and north, all those who settled and were granted citizenship after 1974 have to be treated the same be they Turk Greek Indian Pakistani Filipino English etc etc, otherwise discrimination will not be acceptable.

Lets stay with the present and not drift to the past, since it is today we are interested in a settlement. In any case, since you have brought up the claim that the GCs wanting to give Cyprus to Greece, then why didn't they do that since 1963 when there hasn't been any TCs in the RoC government to veto such an act, just as they did by giving Cyprus to the EU? Any ideas? The 1960's constitution was designed for Cyprus to be partitioned between Greece, Turkey and Britain, so no one has clean hands when it comes to those days. Since there is no such a move to give Cyprus to Greece, then there cannot be a fight by the TCs to prevent such a thing, so what is it you want me to support in what the TCs are trying to do?


Hello the whole idea was to give Cyprus to Greece after 1963 do recall the coup? but you also conveniently forget the systematic process of squeezing the TC out by restricting their economy and encouraging them to leave by find them jobs in the UK Canada and Australia.

You also want to forget the past so as not to highlight that the plight of the minority being the TCs against the GCs was right just as the case is in Turkey and Egypt, do you support their fight against giving Cyprus to Greece?

You must have gotten me mixed up with Erdogan and Morsi who believe, that just because the majority is elected to power, they can do as they wish. That has been always your claim by scaremongering. Have you once said anything against Erdogan's fascistic rule or have you at all supported the protesters in Turkey and now in Egypt? I don't believe you have not in either case, so does that mean you support the majority to as they wish. You seem to do just that in Erdogan's and Morsi's case, are you not?


Exactly you are no different from Erdoğan as you support that majority rule which even gives them every right to gift a county to another without taking into account what a considerable part of the population want....you are no different in fact you are worse as you try to camouflage your real intentions under the label of "true democracy and human rights",I revealed this in the sell out plan you put forward.

For the record I have said many times that I support the Kurds being given their own country just like the TCs but of course you only take in what you want.

I support no such position where the majority can do as they wish, and if you think I do, then you must produce documents backing your claims, otherwise you will look like a liar, specially if you need to have an honest discussion. I support majority rule in a Democratic way with everyone’s democratic and Human Rights protected as per the constitution and the Rule of Law. In any case, majority rule to me is a political distinction and not an ethnic one. Cyprus will have many political parties and each party will have mixed ethnicities, and yes, the majority political party will rule, but not like Erdogan or Morsi who will want to rule by decree rather than democratically involving all the citizens and not just cater for those who had voted for them, or else, peoples "Checks & Balances" will be applied as Morsi found out and so will Erdogan if he doesn't change course very quickly.


You are the liar and your biased sell out mindset is proof enough for everyone to see and recognize this fact. What you support may work in the right hands but believe me the GCs being the majority is not the right hands and would place us in great danger.
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:54 pm

...curious vp, Makarios and the many assassination attempts, how do you explain them?
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:57 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...curious vp, Makarios and the many assassination attempts, how do you explain them?


All staged.
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby Demonax » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:36 pm

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Hello the whole idea was to give Cyprus to Greece after 1963 do recall the coup?



I'm sure Kikapu will reply to most of your points. But on this one you are plainly wrong and clearly don’t know the facts.

The 1974 coup in Cyprus was instigated by the fascist junta in Greece and its goal was twofold: to remove the democratic government in Cyprus (which was critical of Greece) and to instigate partition of the island in collusion with Turkey.

The point of the coup was not enosis or to ‘give Cyprus to Greece’ as you put it. But to divide Cyprus up between Turkey and Greece. A policy similar to that which you advocate!
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:50 pm

Demonax wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Hello the whole idea was to give Cyprus to Greece after 1963 do recall the coup?



I'm sure Kikapu will reply to most of your points. But on this one you are plainly wrong and clearly don’t know the facts.

The 1974 coup in Cyprus was instigated by the fascist junta in Greece and its goal was twofold: to remove the democratic government in Cyprus (which was critical of Greece) and to instigate partition of the island in collusion with Turkey.

The point of the coup was not enosis or to ‘give Cyprus to Greece’ as you put it. But to divide Cyprus up between Turkey and Greece. A policy similar to that which you advocate!


Do you recall Akritas? enosis just went underground.
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby Demonax » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:24 am

Viewpoint wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:
Hello the whole idea was to give Cyprus to Greece after 1963 do recall the coup?



I'm sure Kikapu will reply to most of your points. But on this one you are plainly wrong and clearly don’t know the facts.

The 1974 coup in Cyprus was instigated by the fascist junta in Greece and its goal was twofold: to remove the democratic government in Cyprus (which was critical of Greece) and to instigate partition of the island in collusion with Turkey.

The point of the coup was not enosis or to ‘give Cyprus to Greece’ as you put it. But to divide Cyprus up between Turkey and Greece. A policy similar to that which you advocate!


Do you recall Akritas? enosis just went underground.


This is rubbish. The Greek fascist coup in 1974 was aimed at partitioning Cyprus not enosis. There was practically no support for enosis then. And there is no Cypriot support for enosis today. The ROC is part of Europe now. So stop using these silly, repetitive, tired arguments. It just makes you sound pathetic.
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby Oceanside50 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:33 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...curious vp, Makarios and the many assassination attempts, how do you explain them?

They did try a few times to assassinate him...there were also the bishops of 1973 trying to oust him by making someone else an Archbishop...I think in the end Makarios replaced enough of them so he could stay Archbishop...Byzantine intrigue I think they call it......these were all earnings RW, including the bombing of Tylliria the Johnson letter and the Greek coup in 67,which we failed to heed
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:44 am

Demonax wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Demonax wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Hello the whole idea was to give Cyprus to Greece after 1963 do recall the coup?



I'm sure Kikapu will reply to most of your points. But on this one you are plainly wrong and clearly don’t know the facts.

The 1974 coup in Cyprus was instigated by the fascist junta in Greece and its goal was twofold: to remove the democratic government in Cyprus (which was critical of Greece) and to instigate partition of the island in collusion with Turkey.

The point of the coup was not enosis or to ‘give Cyprus to Greece’ as you put it. But to divide Cyprus up between Turkey and Greece. A policy similar to that which you advocate!


Do you recall Akritas? enosis just went underground.



This is rubbish. The Greek fascist coup in 1974 was aimed at partitioning Cyprus not enosis. There was practically no support for enosis then. And there is no Cypriot support for enosis today. The ROC is part of Europe now. So stop using these silly, repetitive, tired arguments. It just makes you sound pathetic.


İ am well aware you do not want to accept your share of the blame for the past but we all know deep down that enosis resulted in division and total mistrust between the two sides.
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby Demonax » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:13 pm

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İ am well aware you do not want to accept your share of the blame for the past but we all know deep down that enosis resulted in division and total mistrust between the two sides.


In 1974 enosis was not on the agenda for the majority of Greek Cypriots and had ceased to be a practical objective by the mid/late 60s.

The coup in '74 was instigated by Greece's fascist junta and its objective was the removal of the government of Cyprus which had become a thorn in its side and to partition the island between Greece and Turkey. Their goal was not to unite the island with Greece but to collude with Turkey to dismember the island and divide it between them.

Your goal is partition VP - exactly the same goal as the fascists in 1974 you claim to criticise. Like them, you oppose the very idea of a united democratic Cyprus. You have more in common with the fascists behind the coup than you do with the majority of Cypriots.
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Re: Deal Over Occupied Famagusta...???

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:13 pm

...indeed, the facts are clear, the coup failed (almost immediately), expressly because the vast majority, the "Greeks" as you call them, did not give it their support.
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